British and Christian and Proud

[FlyingPig]

There are a few books which are about the son of god, its if you choose to believe them and what hapened in the past. There is also overwhelming evidence to poke holes in both of them theories (big bang & evolution), these theories are not definitive and ideas that various people have come up with. Where it is a fact that  there was a man on earth called Jesus, who was accepted as the son of god.

The big band requires such a leap of faith; that from abosutely nothing came this amazing world. All the time physiscists are saying that you cannot get matter from nothing. Regardless of what hawkins puts on paper, he cannot prove it, nor dsiprove God.

Eviolution has more holes in it than the sponge in my bathroom. The missing links, where are they all? If the missing link between apes and humans died out, why? They where meant to be more intelligent than apes but less intelligent than humans, so why then did they die out. This is for all species on earth. There is no steady progression of species, although there are definite differences and likeness between species.

The different species have adapted (not evolved) to live in the surrounding they are in, and we will continue to adapt. In 10,000 years we will still be human, we will not of changed, although we will adapt to the conditions.

As for Hawkins, again he cannot disprove the existence of God, just as much as he cannot prove that we all came from a single bacteria. So we are at a stalemate, and will always be. It will be down to the individual.

No one likes to be told what they are believing in is a load of bunkum, so they immediately go on the defensive. I do try (sometimes stray) to avoid this and so far I think I have been succesful.

[CelticGeezeer]

Was it the commies who made up this crazy evolution thang.

[wader leg]

Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

[tantrum]

Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons?

According to the paintings they had, and as we know the sacred paitings represent the truth.  They had their belly buttons   so the masses did not feel alienated.....

[fearisthekey]

Was it the commies who made up this crazy evolution thang.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hegel

[fearisthekey]

Missing links:

Cain and Abel (belly buttons not shown)




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_fossil

[CelticGeezeer]

Do the aliens in the life of Brian prove that Scientology is more than just a made up comedy cult.

[kinboshi]

Those who discount evolution as a viable theory generally have nothing to put in its place, and often do not have a full understanding of how evolution is said to work.

Instead, a far-fetched, unproven 'creationist' theory is put there in its place.  I'd like to highlight Occam's Razor here - let's not over-complicate what we're discussin, or introduce straw-man arugments to muddy the argument.  Show me ANY holes in evolutionary theory, and I'll show you a hole in your understanding of it.

It makes far more scientific sense than a 2,000 year-old book of fables, edited and compiled in the 4th century AD by some power-crazed 'wise men'.

[ifm]

occams razor doesn't really apply as the most likely scenario is the matter of debate in the first place.............

[kinboshi]

occams razor doesn't really apply as the most likely scenario is the matter of debate in the first place.............

Yes it does. Evolution is a relatively simple principle, but the idea of a supernatural 'creator' is often cited as the only 'logical' explanation of the diversity of life and to explain the supposedly lofty position of mankind.  We're simply clever monkeys with technology, no need to prescribe us with a special place on 'god's world'.  The introduction of a supernatural creator adds unecessary complexity.  The creation of life doesn't need a hand to guide it, and therefore the question regarding the creator's beginning doesn't need to be introduced either.

[ifm]

occams razor doesn't really apply as the most likely scenario is the matter of debate in the first place.............

Yes it does. Evolution is a relatively simple principle, but the idea of a supernatural 'creator' is often cited as the only 'logical' explanation of the diversity of life and to explain the supposedly lofty position of mankind.  We're simply clever monkeys with technology, no need to prescribe us with a special place on 'god's world'.  The introduction of a supernatural creator adds unecessary complexity.  The creation of life doesn't need a hand to guide it, and therefore the question regarding the creator's beginning doesn't need to be introduced either.

That made my brain hurt!!!

[Rod Paradise]

I believe in evolution, the big bang etc - but I don't agree the Occam's razor is applicable, or relevant. The argument that the simplest explanation is right is only applicable when there is a simple explanation, there isn't one at the moment.

Personally I'm not sure if there's a god - but I'm sure if there is the main religions have missed him.... look at the leafy dragon fish from the southern kelp forests - I struggle to comprehend how long evolution would take to produce such a perfect specimen for it's place in its environement, BUT I can't give credit to the 'let the bad guys kill the kids' 'allow all of the terrible things that have happened in god's name deity that all the churchgoers go on about either.

My only answer, when told I'll go to hell by the religiously overbearing, is to point out that I try to be a good guy - & if your god would be so sad as to send me to hell for not having faith with him, he's not a good and worthy god.

[AdamM]

can't say fairer than that

[Rod Paradise]

For anyone wondering - this is a leafy sea dragon......

[AdamM]

pretty amazing

see, if we are the focal point of a divine master plan, how home that is clearly more adapted to it's emvironment than we are?

good example of natural selection. millions of less green, less leaf-like species died out while that one prospered.