Showing a bluff

[bolt pp]

bolt there is value in it if you feel you can get the table confused and playing to your advantage
on the otehr hand if most of the players are better than you no point

If your playing on a "good" table then showing up a bluff shows the table unnecessarily certain things how and when you bluff, whats situations you chose to bluff, your betting pattern and amount, and if you're using position.

I find mid-low level cash games are poor primarily because they're weak, as opposed to very loose as they used to be, why would i want a passive table that folds to continuation bet, that i can pre flop re raise from button and take pot after pot on the flop all of a sudden shoving back at me because i'm showing  bluffs?

because your wanting them playing LAGISH so when you do get a hand you get paid rather than picking up a few BBs you are likely to find taking a bunch of passive players and turning them into LAGS will take them out of there comfort zone

I disagree, i want a passive table to stay in their comfort zone.

I dont have to wait for a hand and can dominate the table playing small pots from position without any risk to my stack.

Also it makes it very easy for me to tell when they have a real hand.

[doubleup]

bolt there is value in it if you feel you can get the table confused and playing to your advantage
on the otehr hand if most of the players are better than you no point

If your playing on a "good" table then showing up a bluff shows the table unnecessarily certain things how and when you bluff, whats situations you chose to bluff, your betting pattern and amount, and if you're using position.

I find mid-low level cash games are poor primarily because they're weak, as opposed to very loose as they used to be, why would i want a passive table that folds to continuation bet, that i can pre flop re raise from button and take pot after pot on the flop all of a sudden shoving back at me because i'm showing  bluffs?

because your wanting them playing LAGISH so when you do get a hand you get paid rather than picking up a few BBs you are likely to find taking a bunch of passive players and turning them into LAGS will take them out of there comfort zone

I disagree, i want a passive table to stay in their comfort zone.

I dont have to wait for a hand and can dominate the table playing small pots from position without any risk to my stack.

Also it makes it very easy for me to tell when they have a real hand.

Yes I agree with this - although Ironside is discussing micro-stakes and PLO8 - so he probably knows his game and I haven't played it so I can't say he's wrong.  Another point is that players at the low to middle levels don't usually change their game in response to someone bluffing.  They tend to concentrate on their own hand values and unless you are an absolute rock, they won't alter their calling range very much.

[fearisthekey]

Online bluff showers are usually insecure attention seekers "Oh look at me I'm a great player".  They usually do their money in my experience.

If 'oh look at me I'm a great player' makes them a bit annoyed and want to take you on/slap you down when they know they oughta be a bit more careful..........job done.
It's a game, this is part of it.

[doubleup]

Online bluff showers are usually insecure attention seekers "Oh look at me I'm a great player".  They usually do their money in my experience.

If 'oh look at me I'm a great player' makes them a bit annoyed and want to take you on/slap you down when they know they oughta be a bit more careful..........job done.
It's a game, this is part of it.

That simply doesn't work in practice at medium limits.  I will generally only call a bluff that I induce or where the bet doesn't make sense.  The kind of play that does induce errors in opponents is constantly betting raising and NOT showing - that leads to loose calls from opponents who get folding fatigue or get married to a pot.  I can only speak from experience and I see laggy players who don't ever show cards winning and bluff showers losing.

[fearisthekey]

Online bluff showers are usually insecure attention seekers "Oh look at me I'm a great player".  They usually do their money in my experience.

If 'oh look at me I'm a great player' makes them a bit annoyed and want to take you on/slap you down when they know they oughta be a bit more careful..........job done.
It's a game, this is part of it.

That simply doesn't work in practice at medium limits.  I will generally only call a bluff that I induce or where the bet doesn't make sense.  The kind of play that does induce errors in opponents is constantly betting raising and NOT showing - that leads to loose calls from opponents who get folding fatigue or get married to a pot.  I can only speak from experience and I see laggy players who don't ever show cards winning and bluff showers losing.

I do see a few people trying to make bets that don't make sense to make them look like bluffs. oops, he's got the nuts again.....
Isn't this what a lot of big calls are? Trying to catch out a bluffer? People *love* to call, and their ickle brains will gladly make up some reason for them to do so..."betcha he's bluffing again, I saw this guy prepared to put in half the pot with 8 high".
people LOVE to call, and no one likes the piss taken out of them, disarming the piss taker is a big coup for them.

[doubleup]

Online bluff showers are usually insecure attention seekers "Oh look at me I'm a great player".  They usually do their money in my experience.

If 'oh look at me I'm a great player' makes them a bit annoyed and want to take you on/slap you down when they know they oughta be a bit more careful..........job done.
It's a game, this is part of it.

That simply doesn't work in practice at medium limits.  I will generally only call a bluff that I induce or where the bet doesn't make sense.  The kind of play that does induce errors in opponents is constantly betting raising and NOT showing - that leads to loose calls from opponents who get folding fatigue or get married to a pot.  I can only speak from experience and I see laggy players who don't ever show cards winning and bluff showers losing.

I do see a few people trying to make bets that don't make sense to make them look like bluffs. oops, he's got the nuts again.....
Isn't this what a lot of big calls are? Trying to catch out a bluffer? People *love* to call, and their ickle brains will gladly make up some reason for them to do so..."betcha he's bluffing again, I saw this guy prepared to put in half the pot with 8 high".
people LOVE to call, and no one likes the piss taken out of them, disarming the piss taker is a big coup for them.

I don't think you understand what I mean by a bet not making sense - that aside I agree that it is desirable to get calls when you want them, but that can easily be achieved without showing cards. 

Someone who button raises with Q4o and c-bets the K high flop to win and then shows is only telling the table that he is a plonker.  Any action he gets subsequently will be based on his opponents assessment of his hand range based on betting fequency and the strength of the opponents hand - showing that he button raised and c-bet with filth won't change this at all.   

[fearisthekey]

If he's got a better hand than you it'll only make him much money the further his hand is from the one you've put him on, that's why betting should make as little sense as possible, otherwise state what you mean by bets not making sense.

[londonpokergirl]

Well the ladies tournament only showed 1 hand all day long and that was qq

Only other time my hands were shown was when a person was all in

Final table not once showed a hand and it worked in my favour

Think my new strategy is not to show, people know i'm a rock so up to them if they wanna call me or not

[mex]

I never show a bluff ever, but sometimes ill say what i had, or even bluff about that, gets them guessing even more.

[Muahahahaha]

I never show bluffs because I don't know what information I'm already giving away, with my betting patterns etc., and the more info I do give, the tougher it is for me in the future.  I mean, I try to mix it up, but even if we do that, don't we often do it in a predictable way ( isn't that how People like Paul McKenna and Derren Brown work ? )

But this also caught my eye .

in a live game i will show upto 30% of my hands but i am selective in which i show some are bluffs some are the nuts its all depends on my image at the table and the image i want to give off and the gear i am in or if i am changing gear stack size is another huge consideration as is my opponants and there abilty

as for them getting a read off me with the free info half the time i have no idea what i am thinking so how are they going to know what i am thinking

When you change gear, do you actively think, ooh I've been TAG for an hour now, time to shift up next time the button passes ?  I sort of find out I've changed gear after I've done it, then I decide to keep going for a while.  Then I get caught out, and so I suppose I'd better tighten up again for a while.

Not very scientific.  I try to use Doyles first & third gear rule, but I'm sort of reacting to the way people are reacting to me.

( What makes you think I'm confusing myself ? )

[ifm]

Never ever under any circumstances do i show, bluff, nuts, anything.

[Dewi_cool]

I never bluff and if I did I would never show

[AlexMartin]

I show in live cash games if its someone i dont like, but not in tournaments and never in online cash games. In fact, if its Eugene i go out of my way to show.

[Royal Flush]

What's a bluff?

[sovietsong]

I never bluff and if I did I would never show

LOL, dont you remember pushing into my flopped full house with A high?