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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2007, 03:40:37 PM »

To be honest with these stack sizes the money goes in with AA what ever happens, if he has a 9 reload. I also dont think he can be that tricky a lag if he only has $250 at 3/6 table. Doesnt leave much room to lag it up.....
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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2007, 04:03:26 PM »


Is he really going to raise you $60 if he's hit trip 9's?? Very doubtful in my mind...


Maybe I should say 'I' would have flat called with trip 9's and looked to have taken your whole stack on the turn, surely the raise is not the move, especially with only $150 left, virtually any card on the turn and the AA will fire again, pot commiting himself...

I raise about 90% of the time here when I have a 9 if I think the opponent has a big overpair and has me down as a lag. (which admittedly is VERY rare)
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2007, 04:40:21 PM »


Is he really going to raise you $60 if he's hit trip 9's?? Very doubtful in my mind...


Maybe I should say 'I' would have flat called with trip 9's and looked to have taken your whole stack on the turn, surely the raise is not the move, especially with only $150 left, virtually any card on the turn and the AA will fire again, pot commiting himself...

I raise about 90% of the time here when I have a 9 if I think the opponent has a big overpair and has me down as a lag. (which admittedly is VERY rare)
Yes good point.

I saw another AA run into trouble today, standard bad beat, lovely line at the end though.

3-6 NLHE.
A raise PF, B reraise 6xBB, A call, pot $100
FLOP  .
A bet $50, B reraise to $150, A call
turn  , A check, B bet $200, A call
River  two hearts A check B bet $200 A reraise $450 B call.

Showdown A has two spades Two Diamonds , B has 

B: ****** ******
A: nh
B: nh? you're a ****ing donkey
A: you lost
B: how can you call with that, you ****ing donkey, what are you waiting for, the 2?
A: thought you were bluffing
B: go read a book
A: Oh yeah, can you recommend any, maaaaestro?
(pause)
B: Yeah.....'Shrek'. Plenty about ****ing donkeys in that, you ****ing moron.


B is sitting out.
A: nh

I loolled.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2007, 05:55:39 PM »


Is he really going to raise you $60 if he's hit trip 9's?? Very doubtful in my mind...
maybe tens, jacks or a straight draw, representing the 9. i think you're right.

Firstly we can rule out TT/JJ given he is a LAG on the button. Secondly why would he want to represent a 9 when he has one of these hands?
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2007, 06:01:59 PM »


Is he really going to raise you $60 if he's hit trip 9's?? Very doubtful in my mind...
maybe tens, jacks or a straight draw, representing the 9. i think you're right.

Firstly we can rule out TT/JJ given he is a LAG on the button. Secondly why would he want to represent a 9 when he has one of these hands?

cos he's a ****?
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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2007, 06:04:39 PM »

de la ship all in if he has 9 reload
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« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2007, 06:34:36 PM »

We arent argueing about whether or not he has a 9. The simple fact is we raised to $20 preflop from a short stack and aint gonna fold these puppies. Its gets a lot more complicated when you have more money infront of you.
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2007, 07:46:46 PM »


Is he really going to raise you $60 if he's hit trip 9's?? Very doubtful in my mind...
maybe tens, jacks or a straight draw, representing the 9. i think you're right.

Firstly we can rule out TT/JJ given he is a LAG on the button. Secondly why would he want to represent a 9 when he has one of these hands?

Fuzzy logic.

Part of him knows that he may be up against AK AQ and wishes to defend his JJ TT against what may be a continuation bet.
Part of him knows he may be up against AA KK QQ but very unlikely that he's up against x9, so may as well represent the 9.

Add these two together, you get a big raise.
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« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2007, 08:24:49 PM »


Is he really going to raise you $60 if he's hit trip 9's?? Very doubtful in my mind...
maybe tens, jacks or a straight draw, representing the 9. i think you're right.

Firstly we can rule out TT/JJ given he is a LAG on the button. Secondly why would he want to represent a 9 when he has one of these hands?

Fuzzy logic.

Part of him knows that he may be up against AK AQ and wishes to defend his JJ TT against what may be a continuation bet.
Part of him knows he may be up against AA KK QQ but very unlikely that he's up against x9, so may as well represent the 9.

Add these two together, you get a big raise.

As a card carrying member of the LAG brigade i can't see him having TT or JJ on the button here.
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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2007, 08:43:17 PM »

YEah he's likely to raise the button here with JJ TT use the image and all that, OP did say "tricky" though Tongue
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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2007, 10:43:50 AM »

I think he sounds more like a donkey lag given his stack size and the fact that hes limped the button which, well, you shouldn't be doing generally speaking.

As it stands hes probably got overpair or absolute air here and hes just decided to make a play at it figuring you for whiffed overcards, because limping then raising the flop is like  'yes, i have AA', which you obviously have. A LAG isnt limpping a hand with a 9 in it there or probably 88 either and hes definately not raising the flop with 98 because he figures that you generally have overcards and he wants some value. Only hands that makes slightest sense here are JT and JJ-KK tbh.

I wouldn't be able to get all my money in that pot fast enough.
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« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2007, 12:09:49 PM »

de la ship all in if he has 9 reload

if we ship isn't he laying down anything we beat and only calling with stuff we can't beat?!

flat call the then shove turn surely?
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« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2007, 02:59:52 AM »

de la ship all in if he has 9 reload

if we ship isn't he laying down anything we beat and only calling with stuff we can't beat?!

flat call the then shove turn surely?

I like that if we have position and/or stacks are deeper.

As it is pot is $220+ and we have $90 back if we call, so it's unlikely that he'll bluff again (if he is bluffing) as he knows he won't be able to push us off the pot with the near 3.5/1 odds we'd be getting ($90 into $310.)

Jamming here will receive a call from a draw/underpair (to our AA) whereas a blank/scare card on turn may stop him from putting anymore into the pot.
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« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2007, 09:07:18 AM »

de la ship all in if he has 9 reload

if we ship isn't he laying down anything we beat and only calling with stuff we can't beat?!

flat call the then shove turn surely?

I like that if we have position and/or stacks are deeper.

As it is pot is $220+ and we have $90 back if we call, so it's unlikely that he'll bluff again (if he is bluffing) as he knows he won't be able to push us off the pot with the near 3.5/1 odds we'd be getting ($90 into $310.)

Jamming here will receive a call from a draw/underpair (to our AA) whereas a blank/scare card on turn may stop him from putting anymore into the pot.

Lots of players do..........

We are either miles ahead or miles behind, i like the idea of letting him bluff again and giving the dreaded free card in this spot.
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« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2007, 09:28:16 AM »

i reckon button has TJ, i reckon hero flat called and shipped when the 7 hit the turn, its obv a shove on the flop, for any poker player.
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