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« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2007, 09:04:23 PM »

As I recall when the law was passed it was stated that smoking would still be allowed in the houses of parliament for the simple reason that any laws passed are not enforceable within any palace within the UK and the houses of parliament are in fact the palaces of westminster.
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« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2007, 09:06:50 PM »

I'd guess it has more to do with some arcane convention than selfishness and arrogance.

I wonder what percentage of MPs smoke?

No it's selfishness and arrogance, my friend... unfortunatly. The houses of Parliament have a very nice seating area/bar for MP's and all the good scholarly folk that work there and rule the country and Lord knows it would be wrong to prevent them from havfing a cigar or two in there while they drink their heavily subsidized cognacs.

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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2007, 09:15:34 PM »

I'd guess it has more to do with some arcane convention than selfishness and arrogance.

I wonder what percentage of MPs smoke?

No it's selfishness and arrogance, my friend... unfortunatly. The houses of Parliament have a very nice seating area/bar for MP's and all the good scholarly folk that work there and rule the country and Lord knows it would be wrong to prevent them from havfing a cigar or two in there while they drink their heavily subsidized cognacs.



I'll go with LLevans' suggested reason.

I don't see how it is selfish or arrogant for a non smoking MP to approve an exemption to the smoking ban in their own workplace.

I'd also venture to suggest that whilst it may not be legally enforcable it is probable that there will be a de facto ban on smoking in the palaces anyway.
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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2007, 09:17:44 PM »

As I recall when the law was passed it was stated that smoking would still be allowed in the houses of parliament for the simple reason that any laws passed are not enforceable within any palace within the UK and the houses of parliament are in fact the palaces of westminster.

I know that the licencing laws don't apply in parliament and I strongly suspect neither do any libel laws.
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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2007, 09:19:26 PM »

Libel laws don't apply for any parliamentary debate.
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2007, 09:23:08 PM »

From the records of parliament

"Houses of Parliament: Smoking
Lord Faulkner of Worcester asked the Chairman of Committees:

What is the timetable for the implementation of changes to the smoking policy on the parliamentary estate, in line with the smoke-free provisions of the Health Act 2006; and [HL2849]

Where on the parliamentary estate smoking will be permitted after 1 July 2007. [HL2850]

The Chairman of Committees (Lord Brabazon of Tara): The Administration and Works Committee published a report today recommending to the House that, except as permitted below, smoking should be prohibited in all parts of the parliamentary estate occupied by the House of Lords.



21 Mar 2007 : Column WA201


In the interests of smokers, the committee recommends that specified smoking areas should be provided in the following locations within the Lords estate:

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The committee also recommends that smoking should be permitted in an area at the end of the Lords Terrace abutting the Commons Terrace. Given the usage of the Lords Terrace for the consumption of food and drink, this provision should be reviewed if excessive smoking creates a hazard or offence.

It is proposed that the new policy on smoking should come into operation on 1 July when the relevant provisions of the Health Act 2006 are commenced by the Secretary of State.

The committee recognises that such a significant change in smoking policy should be a matter for the whole House. Accordingly, it is expected that the report will be debated in the House in due course."

I apoligise to all crooks in PArliament, they can only smoke outside

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 Norman Baker (Lewes, Liberal Democrat) | Hansard source

To ask the hon. Member for North Devon, representing the House of Commons Commission on what date the Commission last discussed implementation of the forthcoming ban on smoking in enclosed public spaces on the parliamentary estate; and if he will make a statement.

 Nick Harvey (North Devon, Liberal Democrat) | Hansard source

As the minutes published on the internet http://www.parliament.uk/about_commons/house_of_commons_commission_hccfm120307.cfm show, the Commission discussed smoking on 12 March 2007. The policy on the subject is set out in a written answer to the hon. Member for Aberdeen, North (Mr. Doran) on 20 March 2008, Official Report , column 757W.

The Health Act 2006 introduces a ban on smoking in workplaces and enclosed or substantially enclosed public places from 1 July 2007. While the Act does not formally apply on the parliamentary estate, the Commission, on the advice of the Administration Committee, has decided that the House should comply with the principles of the legislation, as it is not desirable that those who work on or visit the parliamentary estate should be treated differently in this respect than in other workplaces and public places. The Commission recognises, however, that many who work on the estate are unavoidably present for long periods, particularly when the House is sitting. It is therefore desirable to make reasonable provision for those who wish to smoke to do so, provided that the health and safety of other users of the estate is not adversely affected.

With these principles in mind, the Commission has decided that smoking should cease to be permitted from 1 July 2007 in all internal areas of the House of Commons estate, including in bars and private offices. From that date smoking will, however, be permitted in four designated external areas: the Terrace, Commons Court (North West corner), North Terrace (between Portcullis House and Norman Shaw South), and in a designated area on the west side of Canon Row courtyard. Cigarette receptacles will be provided in these areas. "No Smoking" signs will be displayed at entrances to the buildings"
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2007, 09:29:22 PM »

Don't know why it would surprise you really mr Red...after all...all the freedom of information act stuff also doesn't apply to them...

I have to say it is rather nice to see someone, somehow, still amazed by the sheer selfishness and arrogance of the politicians in this country..I thought the last thirty years would have put an end to that.

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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2007, 09:34:53 PM »

Don't know why it would surprise you really mr Red...after all...all the freedom of information act stuff also doesn't apply to them...

I have to say it is rather nice to see someone, somehow, still amazed by the sheer selfishness and arrogance of the politicians in this country..I thought the last thirty years would have put an end to that.

FYP

true...I wasn't having a pop at Labour more the sheer callousness of politicians these days..the same goes for the Tories and the Lib Dems..they all really don't give a toss about the voters.
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2007, 09:35:23 PM »

Why do you hate politicians so much Boldie?
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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2007, 09:38:31 PM »

Why do you hate politicians so much Boldie?

They stole his hair.
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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2007, 09:43:18 PM »

Why do you hate politicians so much Boldie?

Because I was raised to respect them. My dad was a member of the Dutch Labour party and I had a neighbour who was a member of the VVD (Dutch Conservatives I guess you'd call them) and we always had the old school politicians at home. Generally for the VVD these were people who had worked hard for a long time, had made their money and now wanted to do something good for the country. The old school Labour guys were all union men who truly wanted the best for the working classes.
I didn't always agree with them but they always had the Nations interest at heart.

These days politicians in every country only seem to care about grabbing votes, making loads of money and the principles (in most cases) go straight out the window when their own, or their party's, self-interest is at stake. They don't even get the sack if they mess up very badly anymore..and the public (whose fault it all is for voting them in, you could argue doesn't have an alternative to choose from as they all seem to be the same)..it sickens me how a profession that could be so noble is being soo terribly and utterly abused.
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« Reply #26 on: June 28, 2007, 09:43:25 PM »

Why do you hate politicians so much Boldie?

They stole his hair.

lol must have done!
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« Reply #27 on: June 28, 2007, 09:43:53 PM »

Why do you hate politicians so much Boldie?

They stole his hair.

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« Reply #28 on: June 28, 2007, 09:45:25 PM »

Why do you hate politicians so much Boldie?

They stole his hair.

follicle tax

yeah..didn't really know it'd be 100% though Sad
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« Reply #29 on: June 28, 2007, 09:47:37 PM »

Why do you hate politicians so much Boldie?

They stole his hair.

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yeah..didn't really know it'd be 100% though Sad

Bit too much information there squire!! Wink

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