Blind player denied chance to play in WSOP

[kinboshi]

Actually ariston we've got that fecker with the spring legs now running on the Athletics circuit and a poss for the Full bodied Olympics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Pistorius

"...saying that his artificial limbs, called "Cheetahs," do not give him an unfair advantage; " 

Why they called cheetahs then?

[Sark79]

I admire him.  Regardless of whether or not the blades give him an advantage, he is an inspiration to many others in the same position.   I know that those watching the 2008 Olympics who have no real interest in athletics will support him over another athlete purely because of what he has had to overcome.  He gives hope to countless others like himself.  I am a strong supporter of Britain and all things British, however during the 2008 Olympics, I will be supporting South Africa in the 400m.

[kinboshi]

I admire him.  Regardless of whether or not the blades give him an advantage, he is an inspiration to many others in the same position.   I know that those watching the 2008 Olympics who have no real interest in athletics will support him over another athlete purely because of what he has had to overcome.  He gives hope to countless others like himself.  I am a strong supporter of Britain and all things British, however during the 2008 Olympics, I will be supporting South Africa in the 400m.

I certainly won't.  It opens up all sorts of methods of cheating.  I'm sure another runner who has a problem with his achilles won't be happy to see someone with an artificial leg (or part of his leg) run when they can't.  If someone injures their calf, are they allowed to use bionic parts to 'fix' the problem? 

The difficulty is where do you draw the line. 

[tikay]

one person per hand for me and if braile cards were being used I would learn braille- think of the advantage you would have being able to spot the others cards. l think its going a bit ott to expect 8000 people to be made to change for one person. We have all seen the special olypics with the blind runners etc- if one of those blind runners was quick enough do you think he would be allowed to race in the real olympics? Of course he wouldnt so why should poker be any different (especially as we have a specific rule which says one person to a hand).

Why?

I happen to know you are a man of great humanity, and would (have, probably) walk a mile in tight boots if it would help someone disadvantaged.

So we can't allow our game to be slowed a tad for a fellow player who's had a shocking beat in life - he's blind?

[Royal Flush]

would he be on the blinds every hand?

Can we just stop this nonsense...we've got Braille cards..feckin PDAs..scanners...jesus just let the fecker play online with a IT competent labrador.

lol best 2 posts by far!

If its because of the one player per hand rule then i can see their point but i think it would be fair to make an exception in this case.

I don't think 9k players should be made to bend over to help out another player.

[henrik777]

i have played with braille cards in a friendly game of cards

i personally would not be happy playing with braille cards at the WSOP

the main draw back is that to be able to read the cards they would need to be lifted off the table

where a blind person wouldnt be able to fully insure his cards were not being seen by the rest of the table or the rail

braille cards are not an option

the only answer would be an elctronic reader IMHO

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see why braille cards would be a problem - presumably the sighted players can't make out the braille markings..? Obviously having cards 'marked' in this way would potentially be a problem in a self-deal game, but when the dealer isn't playing I'd have thought that noone would be able to tell what anyone else's cards were just by the braille markings? No?

I agree, he should be allowed to play. And it's, er, shortsighted of the organisers, on behalf of the poker world in general, not to see the PR advantages of finding a way for him to play, and the disadvantages of excluding him. But I guess maybe it's all too big already for them to be bothered about that sort of thing.

Bit of a problem if the others can't tell what the cards are ?

Sandy

[BigTomatoes]

    

[dealerFROMhell]

A geezer with artificial legs in athletics is sheer PC, Guardianista, liberalistic madness.

The majority sometimes does have to rule.

[ariston]

one person per hand for me and if braile cards were being used I would learn braille- think of the advantage you would have being able to spot the others cards. l think its going a bit ott to expect 8000 people to be made to change for one person. We have all seen the special olypics with the blind runners etc- if one of those blind runners was quick enough do you think he would be allowed to race in the real olympics? Of course he wouldnt so why should poker be any different (especially as we have a specific rule which says one person to a hand).

Why?

I happen to know you are a man of great humanity, and would (have, probably) walk a mile in tight boots if it would help someone disadvantaged.

So we can't allow our game to be slowed a tad for a fellow player who's had a shocking beat in life - he's blind?

tony you are right but imagine if you have got into the main event for the first time ever and you have 2 people playing each hand next to you (ok one person whispering to the other what his cards are then getting the correct ammount of chips and betting etc). This would mean you have far less hands per hour and it would cause a lot of disruption for a lot of people. Sure hes been dealt a bad beat by being blind but if he did happen to go deep how many people would he be inconveniencing? Its a 10k event and meant to be the biggest in the world so lets not let the PC brigade take over. It would personally make no difference to me as I never get past level 2 anyway in the ME but I think overall its a bad idea to break the one person per hand rule for anyone, no matter how you word it.

[phatomch]

You have to remember that this is America, the bloke can now sue the wsop for not letting him play and he will get more than first place anyway.

[kinboshi]

one person per hand for me and if braile cards were being used I would learn braille- think of the advantage you would have being able to spot the others cards. l think its going a bit ott to expect 8000 people to be made to change for one person. We have all seen the special olypics with the blind runners etc- if one of those blind runners was quick enough do you think he would be allowed to race in the real olympics? Of course he wouldnt so why should poker be any different (especially as we have a specific rule which says one person to a hand).

Why?

I happen to know you are a man of great humanity, and would (have, probably) walk a mile in tight boots if it would help someone disadvantaged.

So we can't allow our game to be slowed a tad for a fellow player who's had a shocking beat in life - he's blind?

tony you are right but imagine if you have got into the main event for the first time ever and you have 2 people playing each hand next to you (ok one person whispering to the other what his cards are then getting the correct ammount of chips and betting etc). This would mean you have far less hands per hour and it would cause a lot of disruption for a lot of people. Sure hes been dealt a bad beat by being blind but if he did happen to go deep how many people would he be inconveniencing? Its a 10k event and meant to be the biggest in the world so lets not let the PC brigade take over. It would personally make no difference to me as I never get past level 2 anyway in the ME but I think overall its a bad idea to break the one person per hand rule for anyone, no matter how you word it.

The one person per hand rule wouldn't need to be broken.  There are very simple and available technological solutions that solve the problem.

[ripple11]

 

one person per hand for me and if braile cards were being used I would learn braille- think of the advantage you would have being able to spot the others cards. l think its going a bit ott to expect 8000 people to be made to change for one person. We have all seen the special olypics with the blind runners etc- if one of those blind runners was quick enough do you think he would be allowed to race in the real olympics? Of course he wouldnt so why should poker be any different (especially as we have a specific rule which says one person to a hand).

Why?

I happen to know you are a man of great humanity, and would (have, probably) walk a mile in tight boots if it would help someone disadvantaged.

So we can't allow our game to be slowed a tad for a fellow player who's had a shocking beat in life - he's blind?

tony you are right but imagine if you have got into the main event for the first time ever and you have 2 people playing each hand next to you (ok one person whispering to the other what his cards are then getting the correct ammount of chips and betting etc). This would mean you have far less hands per hour and it would cause a lot of disruption for a lot of people. Sure hes been dealt a bad beat by being blind but if he did happen to go deep how many people would he be inconveniencing? Its a 10k event and meant to be the biggest in the world so lets not let the PC brigade take over. It would personally make no difference to me as I never get past level 2 anyway in the ME but I think overall its a bad idea to break the one person per hand rule for anyone, no matter how you word it.

His "translator"wouldn't bother me in the slightest.....good luck to the guy.
 Enough players dwell up for an eternity over the smallest decision.

[Digger]

I admire him.  Regardless of whether or not the blades give him an advantage, he is an inspiration to many others in the same position.   I know that those watching the 2008 Olympics who have no real interest in athletics will support him over another athlete purely because of what he has had to overcome.  He gives hope to countless others like himself.  I am a strong supporter of Britain and all things British, however during the 2008 Olympics, I will be supporting South Africa in the 400m.

I certainly won't.  It opens up all sorts of methods of cheating.  I'm sure another runner who has a problem with his achilles won't be happy to see someone with an artificial leg (or part of his leg) run when they can't.  If someone injures their calf, are they allowed to use bionic parts to 'fix' the problem? 

The difficulty is where do you draw the line. 

At the finish 

[Ironside]

one person per hand for me and if braile cards were being used I would learn braille- think of the advantage you would have being able to spot the others cards. l think its going a bit ott to expect 8000 people to be made to change for one person. We have all seen the special olypics with the blind runners etc- if one of those blind runners was quick enough do you think he would be allowed to race in the real olympics? Of course he wouldnt so why should poker be any different (especially as we have a specific rule which says one person to a hand).

please do not mix up the special olypmics with the para olympics

[tikay]

one person per hand for me and if braile cards were being used I would learn braille- think of the advantage you would have being able to spot the others cards. l think its going a bit ott to expect 8000 people to be made to change for one person. We have all seen the special olypics with the blind runners etc- if one of those blind runners was quick enough do you think he would be allowed to race in the real olympics? Of course he wouldnt so why should poker be any different (especially as we have a specific rule which says one person to a hand).

Why?

I happen to know you are a man of great humanity, and would (have, probably) walk a mile in tight boots if it would help someone disadvantaged.

So we can't allow our game to be slowed a tad for a fellow player who's had a shocking beat in life - he's blind?

tony you are right but imagine if you have got into the main event for the first time ever and you have 2 people playing each hand next to you (ok one person whispering to the other what his cards are then getting the correct ammount of chips and betting etc). This would mean you have far less hands per hour and it would cause a lot of disruption for a lot of people. Sure hes been dealt a bad beat by being blind but if he did happen to go deep how many people would he be inconveniencing? Its a 10k event and meant to be the biggest in the world so lets not let the PC brigade take over. It would personally make no difference to me as I never get past level 2 anyway in the ME but I think overall its a bad idea to break the one person per hand rule for anyone, no matter how you word it.

Well, we can't have folks who've lumped up $10k to play a game inconvenienced, now can we?

And it's got nowt to do with being PC Russ. I just feel that with a little thought & effort, the guy could be accommodated. But this is poker, and I guess I'm being a little optimistic.