Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[Snatiramas]

Did you ever put these shares in a PEP or ISA Tony, to mitigate the CGT? (Tho' of course they are useless for crystallising a CGT loss ala BCCI LOwndes et al)


BTW HNY hope 2009 is a good 'un for you and all at Blonde

Hi Simon, happy  - & healthy - new year to you, too. Is your health any better now?

PEP's - no, I never did, though I wish I had.

ISA's - yes. I tried to take Share Dividends in "scrip" if I could, but when I took cash dividends, I invested it directly into ISA's, or whatever they we called back in the day. High-Interest & tax-free. I think I have an ISA right now, costs me about £300 per month I think. NatBloodyWest pissed in my ear when I was dong my weasel impression one day.

Health's better than a year ago, get tired very easily which interferes with poker for sure and still on transplant list. Hoping to make it to WSOP this Summer and closer to home a more regular appearance at Dusk Til Dawn.

I take it the NatWest ISA is a cash one, might be worth transferring it into a share ISA and buying some cheap shares? Have fun at Luton/Walsall

Good luck with getting the transplant Simon. Realistically, what time-frame does this envisage? This year?

Fingers crossed for you.

last review was told 12-18 months.....then again a year earlier was told 12-18 months (in fairness they could be right last year as 3 months to go in that time frame) so fingers crossed for 2009

Hi Simon. I didn't realise you were so ill. I must say, you carry your burden well.

Good luck in 09.

+1

[Geo the Sarge]

Did you ever put these shares in a PEP or ISA Tony, to mitigate the CGT? (Tho' of course they are useless for crystallising a CGT loss ala BCCI LOwndes et al)


BTW HNY hope 2009 is a good 'un for you and all at Blonde

Hi Simon, happy  - & healthy - new year to you, too. Is your health any better now?

PEP's - no, I never did, though I wish I had.

ISA's - yes. I tried to take Share Dividends in "scrip" if I could, but when I took cash dividends, I invested it directly into ISA's, or whatever they we called back in the day. High-Interest & tax-free. I think I have an ISA right now, costs me about £300 per month I think. NatBloodyWest pissed in my ear when I was dong my weasel impression one day.

Health's better than a year ago, get tired very easily which interferes with poker for sure and still on transplant list. Hoping to make it to WSOP this Summer and closer to home a more regular appearance at Dusk Til Dawn.

I take it the NatWest ISA is a cash one, might be worth transferring it into a share ISA and buying some cheap shares? Have fun at Luton/Walsall

Good luck with getting the transplant Simon. Realistically, what time-frame does this envisage? This year?

Fingers crossed for you.

last review was told 12-18 months.....then again a year earlier was told 12-18 months (in fairness they could be right last year as 3 months to go in that time frame) so fingers crossed for 2009

Hi Simon. I didn't realise you were so ill. I must say, you carry your burden well.

Good luck in 09.

+1

+2

But it didn't stop you nicking all my chips.

Best of luck

Geo

[Geo the Sarge]

Oh how I tried to keep quiet..but have failed again as I soo often do....<snip>

Great post boldie.  Glad you couldn't keep it shut. 

QFT...and for future reference...

I have kept quiet and will continue to do so....

Would actually like your opinion on this one Snatty, assuming you have one and feel informed enough to share it. I quite enjoy hearing a point of view from someone who can express himself well and has an interest in the subject.

Too many family and friends live in Israel for me to be impartial or objective so it is better if I keep my counsel on this one. You all know where I would stand...............

And IMO much better than those with little connection that believe only which side they wish to and rarely see both sides of any argument.

  Sir.

Geo

[Rod Paradise]

Oh how I tried to keep quiet..but have failed again as I soo often do....<snip>

Great post boldie.  Glad you couldn't keep it shut. 

QFT...and for future reference...

I have kept quiet and will continue to do so....

Would actually like your opinion on this one Snatty, assuming you have one and feel informed enough to share it. I quite enjoy hearing a point of view from someone who can express himself well and has an interest in the subject.

Too many family and friends live in Israel for me to be impartial or objective so it is better if I keep my counsel on this one. You all know where I would stand...............

And IMO much better than those with little connection that believe only which side they wish to and rarely see both sides of any argument.

  Sir.

Geo

Far better to go where you've no connection with guns and lay down the law obv. gg wp nh.

[Geo the Sarge]

And tell me just where I went where I had no connection and laid down the law Rod.

Ireland - peacekeeping under law already established

Bosnia - Kosovo - as part of peacekeeping force INVITED to protect

Iraq 1 - Requested by Kuwait to rid of invading Iraqis

These Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts I have already stated on many occaisions that I am unhappy about them.

As a soldier I followed orders, I also learnt about both sides of each conflict and if I was unhappy with it I could choose to leave (at a years notice.)

You informed us that you were taking part in some protest in Edinburgh against what's currenlty going on in Gazza.

All the gumpf you have supplied us is pretty old news and discussions have been going on about that for many years, I'm not saying I agree with either side regards that.

However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

Yet you are prepared to batter 2 poncy presenters with a baseball bat should they ever make an obscene phone call to your grandad!!

Geo

[Jon MW]

...
However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

...

Just as the UK suffered casualties from the IRA bombings, but air strikes over residential areas were never deemed necessary.

This is obviously using a type of reductio ad absurdum argument, but I think it reinforces the point that they may have been slightly heavy handed in their response (and that ignores all the day to day human rights violations)

I think a telling statistic from early on in this current operation was
Palestinian casualties > 600
Israeli Casualties  <5

Slightly disprortionate wouldn't you agree?

[boldie]

However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

Really?

The only figures I can find are 9 Israeli's killed by Palestinian rocket fire since 2001 and that the rockets "rarely" cause any casualties.

Even this list for 2006-2008 as released by the Israelis shows that very rarely do the rocket attacks cause any casualties

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisrael-10.html

Since these figures come from the Israelis I believe them to be fairly accurate.
The list shows that the casualties are caused by other (also completely unacceptable) attacks..and not by the rocket attacks.

Again, I'm not on any side in this argument except saying that maybe the Israeli approach is heavy handed and counter productive? (According to unoffical statements (Palestinian officials and all that) 400 Palestinians dead, 2k wounded in the past 6 days.

[Rod Paradise]

And tell me just where I went where I had no connection and laid down the law Rod.

Ireland - peacekeeping under law already established

Bosnia - Kosovo - as part of peacekeeping force INVITED to protect

Iraq 1 - Requested by Kuwait to rid of invading Iraqis

These Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts I have already stated on many occaisions that I am unhappy about them.

As a soldier I followed orders, I also learnt about both sides of each conflict and if I was unhappy with it I could choose to leave (at a years notice.)

You informed us that you were taking part in some protest in Edinburgh against what's currenlty going on in Gazza.

All the gumpf you have supplied us is pretty old news and discussions have been going on about that for many years, I'm not saying I agree with either side regards that.

However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

Yet you are prepared to batter 2 poncy presenters with a baseball bat should they ever make an obscene phone call to your grandad!!

Geo

You don't know what I know about the Palestinian conflict but you see fit to pass judgement on me, on what I know & whether I can see both sides, publicly with no reason or right to do so. Your argument became even more ridiculous when you failed to understand what I am going to protest. You have a deep belief in the right of Governments and armies to impose their will, that's to be expected & I understand it, try opening your mind to the fact that others see it as bullying and object to the needless killing of civillians when the people in charge are supposed to be on the side of law.

As for the Palestinian debate no-one apart from Boldie or myself from tried to argue anything but opinions (deep seated ones understandably), but
after my attempt at least to get beyond,'I think this & I think that' to some real facts & they were first ignored & now you call them Gumph from your position of great wisdom.

Geo, you've obviously got a problem with me, I've been straight up on my opinions and what I believe, if you don't like it tough. You started sniping & if you don't want picked up on it & shot back at then you should try to be a bit more subtle.

[bolt pp]

However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

Really?

The only figures I can find are 9 Israeli's killed by Palestinian rocket fire since 2001 and that the rockets "rarely" cause any casualties.

Even this list for 2006-2008 as released by the Israelis shows that very rarely do the rocket attacks cause any casualties

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisrael-10.html

Since these figures come from the Israelis I believe them to be fairly accurate.
The list shows that the casualties are caused by other (also completely unacceptable) attacks..and not by the rocket attacks.

I'm not on any side in this argument except saying that maybe the Israeli approach is heavy handed and counter productive?

lol boldie you do make me laugh.

fair enough youve said you havent really got an opinion on it but i'm imagining talk in Israel about stopping operations immediately because someone has said perhaps theyre being a bit counter productive.

theyre dealing all these problems at the moment im not sure being seen as being a bit counter-productive by the international community is of that importance to them currently.

theyre running a country boldie, i suggest it's a tad more difficult than commentating about it on the interent with little resolution and no consequense, i dont suppose you can do everything correctly when in charge of so many people.

[Geo the Sarge]

I really wish people would take time to read properly.

My response was to Rods statement in regards to my involvement in conflicts.

I highlighted the reason for the recent attacks to compare to Rods mention of his protest at the heavy handedness as a comparison to what he says his own response would be to a certain occurremce which I thought would also be heavy handed.

I did not say it was merited or that I didn't think it heavy handed. I also merely said it had been going on for a while with many casualties. I did not put a number on this. How do you define what are a few, what is many? Surely even 1 casualty is 1 too many??

Understand no?

Geo

[boldie]

However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

Really?

The only figures I can find are 9 Israeli's killed by Palestinian rocket fire since 2001 and that the rockets "rarely" cause any casualties.

Even this list for 2006-2008 as released by the Israelis shows that very rarely do the rocket attacks cause any casualties

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisrael-10.html

Since these figures come from the Israelis I believe them to be fairly accurate.
The list shows that the casualties are caused by other (also completely unacceptable) attacks..and not by the rocket attacks.

I'm not on any side in this argument except saying that maybe the Israeli approach is heavy handed and counter productive?

lol boldie you do make me laugh.

fair enough youve said you havent really got an opinion on it but i'm imagining talk in Israel about stopping operations immediately because someone has said perhaps theyre being a bit counter productive.

theyre dealing all these problems at the moment im not sure being seen as being a bit counter-productive by the international community is of that importance to them currently.

theyre running a country boldie, i suggest it's a tad more difficult than commentating about it on the interent with little resolution and no consequense, i dont suppose you can do everything correctly when in charge of so many people.

lol

Well done on completely misunderstanding the situation and my main point there bolt.

The main point is that "When Israel is being heavy handed and killing and destroying innocent people and their homes, they breed terrorism and continue to fuel the hatred".

And  of course the discussion has been had in Israel about whether this is the correct approach to take or not...Jesus man, give them a bit more credit than that...I just happen to disagree with the current ruling mind set in Israeli politics that says that this is the correct approach to take...that is all.

[Rod Paradise]

I really wish people would take time to read properly.

My response was to Rods statement in regards to my involvement in conflicts.

I highlighted the reason for the recent attacks to compare to Rods mention of his protest at the heavy handedness as a comparison to what he says his own response would be to a certain occurremce which I thought would also be heavy handed.

I did not say it was merited or that I didn't think it heavy handed. I also merely said it had been going on for a while with many casualties. I did not put a number on this. How do you define what are a few, what is many? Surely even 1 casualty is 1 too many??

Understand no?

Geo

Surely 1 isn't lots either  

And if theoretically confronting 2 people after they theoretically upset an old man who is dead equates to forcing people into a confined area and bombing them you've got a major perspective problem.

[Geo the Sarge]

And tell me just where I went where I had no connection and laid down the law Rod.

Ireland - peacekeeping under law already established

Bosnia - Kosovo - as part of peacekeeping force INVITED to protect

Iraq 1 - Requested by Kuwait to rid of invading Iraqis

These Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts I have already stated on many occaisions that I am unhappy about them.

As a soldier I followed orders, I also learnt about both sides of each conflict and if I was unhappy with it I could choose to leave (at a years notice.)

You informed us that you were taking part in some protest in Edinburgh against what's currenlty going on in Gazza.

All the gumpf you have supplied us is pretty old news and discussions have been going on about that for many years, I'm not saying I agree with either side regards that.

However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

Yet you are prepared to batter 2 poncy presenters with a baseball bat should they ever make an obscene phone call to your grandad!!

Geo

You don't know what I know about the Palestinian conflict but you see fit to pass judgement on me, on what I know & whether I can see both sides, publicly with no reason or right to do so. Your argument became even more ridiculous when you failed to understand what I am going to protest. You have a deep belief in the right of Governments and armies to impose their will, that's to be expected & I understand it, try opening your mind to the fact that others see it as bullying and object to the needless killing of civillians when the people in charge are supposed to be on the side of law.
As for the Palestinian debate no-one apart from Boldie or myself from tried to argue anything but opinions (deep seated ones understandably), but
after my attempt at least to get beyond,'I think this & I think that' to some real facts & they were first ignored & now you call them Gumph from your position of great wisdom.

Geo, you've obviously got a problem with me, I've been straight up on my opinions and what I believe, if you don't like it tough. You started sniping & if you don't want picked up on it & shot back at then you should try to be a bit more subtle.

I just so Lolled...............you know that is not true, however because you feel it suits your arguement and people may think "well, he was a soldier, he must be brainwashed"

This is total nonsense and I believe you should give people on this forum a bit more credit before posting such nonsense.

The second part is even funnier, great play on words I'll give you that, however I have seen noone snipe on this forum as much as yourself, and from the position of a MOD too.

I'll finish on this part of the thread now, it doesn't deserve this sort of tripe.

Geo

[bolt pp]

However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

Really?

The only figures I can find are 9 Israeli's killed by Palestinian rocket fire since 2001 and that the rockets "rarely" cause any casualties.

Even this list for 2006-2008 as released by the Israelis shows that very rarely do the rocket attacks cause any casualties

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisrael-10.html

Since these figures come from the Israelis I believe them to be fairly accurate.
The list shows that the casualties are caused by other (also completely unacceptable) attacks..and not by the rocket attacks.

I'm not on any side in this argument except saying that maybe the Israeli approach is heavy handed and counter productive?

lol boldie you do make me laugh.

fair enough youve said you havent really got an opinion on it but i'm imagining talk in Israel about stopping operations immediately because someone has said perhaps theyre being a bit counter productive.

theyre dealing all these problems at the moment im not sure being seen as being a bit counter-productive by the international community is of that importance to them currently.

theyre running a country boldie, i suggest it's a tad more difficult than commentating about it on the interent with little resolution and no consequense, i dont suppose you can do everything correctly when in charge of so many people.

lol

Well done on completely misunderstanding the situation and my main point there bolt.

The main point is that "When Israel is being heavy handed and killing and destroying innocent people and their homes, they breed terrorism and continue to fuel the hatred".

And  of course the discussion has been had in Israel about whether this is the correct approach to take or not...Jesus man, give them a bit more credit than that...I just happen to disagree with the current ruling mind set in Israeli politics that says that this is the correct approach to take...that is all.

lol boldie i'm not highliting the point you made it was just the sort of lethargic way you came out with it in comparison to everyone else writing loads and loads you just seemed to bunk in as though you were playing 6 tables, doing the washing up and posting about how theyre a bit counter productive, this is how it read to me:

"well i reckon that what theyre doing is a bit counter productive, i dont know if this has been pointed out to them or not so i'll e-mail them later to let them know, having said that i like to chill at night so i probs do it tomorrow cos i'm a bit hungover, i might even bell them actually cos its important and stuff to let them know that theyre being counter productive and if theyd just stop being counter productive they can start being........erm.........productive, though it is friday tomorrow and ive got plans in the day and then im going out at night so i cant really be bothered and the more and more i think about it they probs know that theyre being counter productive and stuff and seen as how its F.A cup on Saturday and i like to sit around scratching my bollox on a sunday i'll just wait till monday though i do get introuble for sending non work related emails from work(i got a warning for sending one to mugabe saying he was being a bit unfair and i nearly got sack when i phoned putin) so i think i'll just leave it for now and instead do a happy naked clog dance to promote peace on earth and stop the terror of counter-produtiveness"!

[Rod Paradise]

And tell me just where I went where I had no connection and laid down the law Rod.

Ireland - peacekeeping under law already established

Bosnia - Kosovo - as part of peacekeeping force INVITED to protect

Iraq 1 - Requested by Kuwait to rid of invading Iraqis

These Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts I have already stated on many occaisions that I am unhappy about them.

As a soldier I followed orders, I also learnt about both sides of each conflict and if I was unhappy with it I could choose to leave (at a years notice.)

You informed us that you were taking part in some protest in Edinburgh against what's currenlty going on in Gazza.

All the gumpf you have supplied us is pretty old news and discussions have been going on about that for many years, I'm not saying I agree with either side regards that.

However, as it is now, Palestinian rockets are continually being fired into Israel, have been for a while with lots of casualties, Israel decides enuff is enuff and retaliates in a effort to protect their people. They use the might of their Air Force and you whinge it's heavy handed.

Yet you are prepared to batter 2 poncy presenters with a baseball bat should they ever make an obscene phone call to your grandad!!

Geo

You don't know what I know about the Palestinian conflict but you see fit to pass judgement on me, on what I know & whether I can see both sides, publicly with no reason or right to do so. Your argument became even more ridiculous when you failed to understand what I am going to protest. You have a deep belief in the right of Governments and armies to impose their will, that's to be expected & I understand it, try opening your mind to the fact that others see it as bullying and object to the needless killing of civillians when the people in charge are supposed to be on the side of law.
As for the Palestinian debate no-one apart from Boldie or myself from tried to argue anything but opinions (deep seated ones understandably), but
after my attempt at least to get beyond,'I think this & I think that' to some real facts & they were first ignored & now you call them Gumph from your position of great wisdom.

Geo, you've obviously got a problem with me, I've been straight up on my opinions and what I believe, if you don't like it tough. You started sniping & if you don't want picked up on it & shot back at then you should try to be a bit more subtle.

I just so Lolled...............you know that is not true, however because you feel it suits your arguement and people may think "well, he was a soldier, he must be brainwashed"

This is total nonsense and I believe you should give people on this forum a bit more credit before posting such nonsense.

The second part is even funnier, great play on words I'll give you that, however I have seen noone snipe on this forum as much as yourself, and from the position of a MOD too.

I'll finish on this part of the thread now, it doesn't deserve this sort of tripe.

Geo

You argue for Israel's right to use the might of their airforce & I'm not to read what I think is your opinion into it FFS. I admit I should have said seem to believe.

The second point wasn't a play on words although in a discussion on conflict I suppose it's liable to spring to mind.

You have still failed to address a point I've made beyond your wee personal digs. You've even played the MOD card.

[  ] gg nh wp.