Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[theprawnidentity]

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[Rexas]

Topic that came up the other day elsewhere: do you like John Cooper Clarke?

Eh?

The poet bloke?

You are having a laugh.

Tikay, am I to infer from this that you aren't a poetry fan? (Beware the English Student in me coming out)

[tikay]

Topic that came up the other day elsewhere: do you like John Cooper Clarke?

Eh?

The poet bloke?

You are having a laugh.

Tikay, am I to infer from this that you aren't a poetry fan? (Beware the English Student in me coming out)

I suppose that would be one way of putting it.

Honestly - & I kid you not - I'd rather read a 'Stars Hand History. And I've read exactly ONE of those in my entire life, despite therm occupying about half of blonde's bandwidth.

Each to their own & all that.

I'd rather do any of these things, too....


http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/30-horrendous-things-id-rather-do-than-eat-any-goddamn-mayo/

[RED-DOG]

Topic that came up the other day elsewhere: do you like John Cooper Clarke?

Eh?

The poet bloke?

You are having a laugh.

Tikay, am I to infer from this that you aren't a poetry fan? (Beware the English Student in me coming out)

Am I to infer from this that you pay about as much attention to tikay's diary as everyone else?

[Rexas]

Topic that came up the other day elsewhere: do you like John Cooper Clarke?

Eh?

The poet bloke?

You are having a laugh.

Tikay, am I to infer from this that you aren't a poetry fan? (Beware the English Student in me coming out)

I suppose that would be one way of putting it.

Honestly - & I kid you not - I'd rather read a 'Stars Hand History. And I've read exactly ONE of those in my entire life, despite therm occupying about half of blonde's bandwidth.

Each to their own & all that.

I'd rather do any of these things, too....


http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/30-horrendous-things-id-rather-do-than-eat-any-goddamn-mayo/

I'm not sure if this has anything to do with your own reasons for a dislike of poetry, but I feel like explaining one of my biggest pet hates right now...

Poetry and Shakespeare and fantastic, basically. But education is trying its hardest to destroy both. Kids from the age of like 10 are being told to read and appreciate plays written in a language that is difficult to properly understand for most A level students. Shakespeare wrote his plays to entertain the masses and have a nice house, and they were never supposed to be stared at for hours in classrooms, they were meant to be performed in theatres up and down the country, to be laughed at and appreciated for what they are. Going to see these shows was an experience in itself, where people would get dressed up, get drunk, and mercilessly heckle the performers who would be expected to respond, and everyone would generally be expected to get lairy and have a good time. It's a crying shame, but I doubt theatre will ever get to be the same is it was then, in its hayday. The reason that Shakespeare was so brilliant is that he has essentially written the story line for most of the literature that has followed it. His writing moved at such a pace compared to everything around it at the time, but I have no idea how a young child can be expected to appreciate it. Instead, we all ended up dreading the endless Shakespeare lessons and are turned so completely against it by teachers who may not properly understand it themselves that many people miss out on some of the greatest experiences that modern theatre can offer.

The same is unfortunately true for poetry, but I think this is an even worse crime. Poetry is immensely personal and immensely difficult to write properly, but again, the endless hours spent in the classroom trying to analyse why the bed was red (because it symbolises blood, which could mean family or death, or because its the colour of jealousy etc) have screwed up so many peoples chances of appreciating how fantastically moving poetry can be. The bed was red because it was an easy fucking rhyme, deal with it . Paradise lost is superbly written, and the whole story behind it (Milton was blind when he wrote it, hence the power of the line "and from those flames no light, only darkness visible" for example) and some of the thoughts that it provokes (Satan is written like a modern day hero, whereas God is frankly boring) is something that noone should be deprived of. Unfortunately, this is exactly what schools are currently doing, turning so many people against poetry because they are forced to study so much of the rubbish stuff and even when they do get the good stuff, they are so jaded by the whole process and often so young and inexperienced in literature that they have no chance of connecting with it.

I hate reading Shakespeare, hate writing essays on it, and think that the man would despair if he could see what is being done with his life's work now. Ditto for poetry, but in my own time I came across some extremely moving texts which I'll post below, which have connected with me on a very personal level and helped me luckbox an appreciation of something that is quickly being destroyed by school teachers.

[Rexas]

Unfortunately, I think this is the best reading of the poem. If I had a better voice, I'd do it myself, because I think it lacks the power necessary to properly deliver some of the lines. Still, this poem is not only relevant to life in general but I also find it relevant to poker. A truly incredible piece of writing.



Morgan Freeman... What a voice. The build up in this video isn't anywhere near necessary, the poem is great on its own. I genuinely get chills when I hear this read, and it connects with me on a very personal level. It would be a true travesty if this was studied in a classroom. This sort of beauty is supposed to be hidden and discovered by everyone when it is right for them to do so.



Finally, an example from a modern master of words. Eminem's ability to write is nothing short of awesome, poetry at its very finest. Some of the rhymes he can find are outrageous, but somehow they work. A huge amount of rap music is lost in repeating the words fuck, shawty, nigger and hoe over and over again, but Eminem and several others make it a very valid art form that is near impossible to master. Very possibly the greatest poet to ever live.

[tikay]

Rexus,

Am a bit busy right now, & will reply properly soonest, but that is a tremendously perceptive Post, much of which I agree with.

I especially liked this, (below) as I am a huge fan of Eminem Lyrics, & I'll post some examples a bit later. He is a VERY clever lyricist.


Finally, an example from a modern master of words. Eminem's ability to write is nothing short of awesome, poetry at its very finest. Some of the rhymes he can find are outrageous, but somehow they work

[Tal]

Rexas, also short of time. Some of that I agree with and have said (actually on this thread, I think...) before. Some of that makes my blood boil. Some of that just sounds like I did when I was a student (lol@ Eminem the great poet. Such a studenty thing to say. Anyway...He's no Jay-Z: You know the type. Loud as a motorbike, who wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight)

I'll find what I wrote ITT about iambic pentameter. Jacobean drama is definitely a love of mine.

[Tal]

Some stuff here:

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=25486.msg1637300#msg1637300

Ignore the Ferraris and tikay's 30th birthday celebrations.

[Rexas]

Rexas, also short of time. Some of that I agree with and have said (actually on this thread, I think...) before. Some of that makes my blood boil. Some of that just sounds like I did when I was a student (lol@ Eminem the great poet. Such a studenty thing to say. Anyway...He's no Jay-Z: You know the type. Loud as a motorbike, who wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight)

I'll find what I wrote ITT about iambic pentameter. Jacobean drama is definitely a love of mine.

I'm not trying to start a riot, just a personal opinion, no boiling bodily fluids intended! I'm unfortunately pretty new to the 74million pages of tikay's diary too, so I'm afraid I haven't had a chance to read almost all of it! Glad to know that this sort of debate still interests people though

[Tal]

Rexas, also short of time. Some of that I agree with and have said (actually on this thread, I think...) before. Some of that makes my blood boil. Some of that just sounds like I did when I was a student (lol@ Eminem the great poet. Such a studenty thing to say. Anyway...He's no Jay-Z: You know the type. Loud as a motorbike, who wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight)

I'll find what I wrote ITT about iambic pentameter. Jacobean drama is definitely a love of mine.

I'm not trying to start a riot, just a personal opinion, no boiling bodily fluids intended! I'm unfortunately pretty new to the 74million pages of tikay's diary too, so I'm afraid I haven't had a chance to read almost all of it! Glad to know that this sort of debate still interests people though

Shakespeare was your all rounder but look me straight in the ides of March and tell me Jonson wasn't a better comic.

[Rexas]

Rexas, also short of time. Some of that I agree with and have said (actually on this thread, I think...) before. Some of that makes my blood boil. Some of that just sounds like I did when I was a student (lol@ Eminem the great poet. Such a studenty thing to say. Anyway...He's no Jay-Z: You know the type. Loud as a motorbike, who wouldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight)

I'll find what I wrote ITT about iambic pentameter. Jacobean drama is definitely a love of mine.

I'm not trying to start a riot, just a personal opinion, no boiling bodily fluids intended! I'm unfortunately pretty new to the 74million pages of tikay's diary too, so I'm afraid I haven't had a chance to read almost all of it! Glad to know that this sort of debate still interests people though

Shakespeare was your all rounder but look me straight in the ides of March and tell me Jonson wasn't a better comic.

We're talking Ben Jonson here, yes? If so, I'm afraid I can't do any such thing, because I wouldn't consider myself familiar enough with his works to be able to comment. I'm a bit of a sucker for Faustus by Marlowe too, and have always been interested in the debate about whether Shakespeare actually wrote Shakespeare, or if a lot of what is attributed to him was written by others or in collaboration. Certainly does seem like a golden age for theatre.

If you haven't already, I would certainly implore you to give Paradise Lost a shot, it was reading this that gave me that little lightbulb moment that helped me to properly understand the language differences and start to get a real appreciation for this sort of thing.

[Tal]

Done and done, sir. Try Samson Agonistes, too on the Bside of Paradise Regained.

Milton is a touch late for me. Marlowe, Jonson and Webster more my bag.

[Rexas]

Marlowe, Jonson and Webster more my bag.

Nh sir

[Tal]

Debates over whether Shakespeare wrote his plays are in the same potty chamber as the moon landing conspiracy theories and those who think the Lucitania was sunk instead of the Titanic.

You might as well try to convince me you can win a hand with jacks