Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[the sicilian]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

[tikay]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

"eye-opening".

It's true to say that many - most? - live players could be described, & often are, by internet players, as being "technically awful". But they make it awkward to play. They call every hand, every street, & if they are hitting cards, they end up with 2 pairs & take pot after pot. They are quite simply unreadable, but there is a way to play against them, though it requires a little thought.

PokerMonkey threw a mini-strop about one such player. This guy, all evening, called any bet in any position if his hand contained 2 cards between 4 & 6. 4-6, 5-6, 5-7, 6-6. Without exception, every time. So he busted J-J, K-K, & A-A, but even still, "good" players were not adjusting to this, & merrily firing away, it was bet-call, bet call, jam call, "oh, you have 2 pairs you fish", followed by a mini-rant to everyone who would listen. Hmm.

Awesome entertainment, though why folks get arsey with so-called bad players remains a mystery to me.*

I ran good all evening, was never below average, or even near it, but took an ugly beat in a peculiar 3 way all-in coup with 12 left, & so started blind-shoving, eventually perishing on the final-table bubble. Very enjoyable, really, & I'll likely play tonight's £100, too.

Got nipped for £500, too - first time in many years that's happened. Think the money's good, but even so, basic error. We shall see.

* I get SO many e-Mails, Facebook messages, etc, next door, about "the disgustingly bad players on Sky Poker, they are so bad, they call with anything, I'm never playing on Sky Poker again, the players are woefully bad."

I really do wonder what goes through the minds of people who write that sort of stuff. They don't want to play really bad players......only poker players could say such nonsense, but they see others write it, & without thinking it through, just repeat it. "Can't beat these bloody idiots, I'm off to 'Stars"...... Good luck with that, guys.

[celtic]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

"eye-opening".

It's true to say that many - most? - live players could be described, & often are, by internet players, as being "technically awful". But they make it awkward to play. They call every hand, every street, & if they are hitting cards, they end up with 2 pairs & take pot after pot. They are quite simply unreadable, but there is a way to play against them, though it requires a little thought.

PokerMonkey threw a mini-strop about one such player. This guy, all evening, called any bet in any position if his hand contained 2 cards between 4 & 6. 4-6, 5-6, 5-7, 6-6. Without exception, every time. So he busted J-J, K-K, & A-A, but even still, "good" players were not adjusting to this, & merrily firing away, it was bet-call, bet call, jam call, "oh, you have 2 pairs you fish", followed by a mini-rant to everyone who would listen. Hmm.

Awesome entertainment, though why folks get arsey with so-called bad players remains a mystery to me.*

I ran good all evening, was never below average, or even near it, but took an ugly beat in a peculiar 3 way all-in coup with 12 left, & so started blind-shoving, eventually perishing on the final-table bubble. Very enjoyable, really, & I'll likely play tonight's £100, too.

Got nipped for £500, too - first time in many years that's happened. Think the money's good, but even so, basic error. We shall see.

* I get SO many e-Mails, Facebook messages, etc, next door, about "the disgustingly bad players on Sky Poker, they are so bad, they call with anything, I'm never playing on Sky Poker again, the players are woefully bad."

I really do wonder what goes through the minds of people who write that sort of stuff. They don't want to play really bad players......only poker players could say such nonsense, but they see others write it, & without thinking it through, just repeat it. "Can't beat these bloody idiots, I'm off to 'Stars"...... Good luck with that, guys.

5-7 is between 4&6?

[tikay]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

"eye-opening".

It's true to say that many - most? - live players could be described, & often are, by internet players, as being "technically awful". But they make it awkward to play. They call every hand, every street, & if they are hitting cards, they end up with 2 pairs & take pot after pot. They are quite simply unreadable, but there is a way to play against them, though it requires a little thought.

PokerMonkey threw a mini-strop about one such player. This guy, all evening, called any bet in any position if his hand contained 2 cards between 4 & 6. 4-6, 5-6, 5-7, 6-6. Without exception, every time. So he busted J-J, K-K, & A-A, but even still, "good" players were not adjusting to this, & merrily firing away, it was bet-call, bet call, jam call, "oh, you have 2 pairs you fish", followed by a mini-rant to everyone who would listen. Hmm.

Awesome entertainment, though why folks get arsey with so-called bad players remains a mystery to me.*

I ran good all evening, was never below average, or even near it, but took an ugly beat in a peculiar 3 way all-in coup with 12 left, & so started blind-shoving, eventually perishing on the final-table bubble. Very enjoyable, really, & I'll likely play tonight's £100, too.

Got nipped for £500, too - first time in many years that's happened. Think the money's good, but even so, basic error. We shall see.

* I get SO many e-Mails, Facebook messages, etc, next door, about "the disgustingly bad players on Sky Poker, they are so bad, they call with anything, I'm never playing on Sky Poker again, the players are woefully bad."

I really do wonder what goes through the minds of people who write that sort of stuff. They don't want to play really bad players......only poker players could say such nonsense, but they see others write it, & without thinking it through, just repeat it. "Can't beat these bloody idiots, I'm off to 'Stars"...... Good luck with that, guys.

5-7 is between 4&6?

Typo, intended to write "between 4 & 7".

[MereNovice]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

"eye-opening".

It's true to say that many - most? - live players could be described, & often are, by internet players, as being "technically awful". But they make it awkward to play. They call every hand, every street, & if they are hitting cards, they end up with 2 pairs & take pot after pot. They are quite simply unreadable, but there is a way to play against them, though it requires a little thought.

PokerMonkey threw a mini-strop about one such player. This guy, all evening, called any bet in any position if his hand contained 2 cards between 4 & 6. 4-6, 5-6, 5-7, 6-6. Without exception, every time. So he busted J-J, K-K, & A-A, but even still, "good" players were not adjusting to this, & merrily firing away, it was bet-call, bet call, jam call, "oh, you have 2 pairs you fish", followed by a mini-rant to everyone who would listen. Hmm.

Awesome entertainment, though why folks get arsey with so-called bad players remains a mystery to me.*

I ran good all evening, was never below average, or even near it, but took an ugly beat in a peculiar 3 way all-in coup with 12 left, & so started blind-shoving, eventually perishing on the final-table bubble. Very enjoyable, really, & I'll likely play tonight's £100, too.

Got nipped for £500, too - first time in many years that's happened. Think the money's good, but even so, basic error. We shall see.

* I get SO many e-Mails, Facebook messages, etc, next door, about "the disgustingly bad players on Sky Poker, they are so bad, they call with anything, I'm never playing on Sky Poker again, the players are woefully bad."

I really do wonder what goes through the minds of people who write that sort of stuff. They don't want to play really bad players......only poker players could say such nonsense, but they see others write it, & without thinking it through, just repeat it. "Can't beat these bloody idiots, I'm off to 'Stars"...... Good luck with that, guys.

5-7 is between 4&6?

Typo, intended to write "between 4 & 7".

Did he show you his hand every time he folded?
If so, why did no-one object?

I only ask because you seem so adamant.

[tikay]

thought this was quite interesting
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/stars-shill-accounts-1041814/


cliffs

-In another thread Stars' head of security posts under an anonymous account pointing out contradictions in FTP's public statements and encourages players to file complaints to FTP's licensing body giving them advice on what to say and how to do it.

-Former Stars employee, now FTP employee, is irked by post and begins outing Stars shill accounts. Including the head of security as above, and mbpoker as being Isai Scheinberg, the owner and founder of Stars.

-Isai has been posting anonymously for nearly a decade on 2+2 praising Stars while artfully implying he is a player without explicitly saying as much.

-Stars 'advocates' dispute it is him, but ultimately accept it is.

-Discussion ensues on whether what he did was right or wrong. Opinions are mixed and generally seem to agree it was wrong but not necessarily harmful.

-People are able to out his old identities on rec.gambling newsgroup due to information gleaned from his mbpoker posts and name. His pre-stars postings provide interesting insight into an otherwise very opaque figure. These newsgroup postings also provides absolute proof that mbpoker is indeed Isai Schienberg.

"Interesting"? Just a bit.

This stuff is blowing my mind, it really is. Some of the revelations since Black Friday (& I have, I think, read & carefully absorbed every word) really have shocked me. Of course, most are unproven, but the weight of evidence is telling.....

I won't be arguing with anyone on this, no point, but I am utterly convinced that the EU Trade Commissioners & Financial watchdogs must be reading all this stuff, being worded by the Americans, & be considering pulling the plug on 'Stars & Tilt, & having a European version of Black Friday. And everyone will wake up all shocked & surprised, & think "wtf, what about the money I have on deposit with them?" They need not worry, they will all get their money back, (after some delay), but I am convinced it will happen.  It's all about "fit & proper persons" (to run a Company that holds huge amounts of punters funds).

If you believed half the "Black Friday" stories - if - would you really leave your cash on deposit with them?

Scary times for the trustworthy & gullible alike.

[the sicilian]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

"eye-opening".

It's true to say that many - most? - live players could be described, & often are, by internet players, as being "technically awful". But they make it awkward to play. They call every hand, every street, & if they are hitting cards, they end up with 2 pairs & take pot after pot. They are quite simply unreadable, but there is a way to play against them, though it requires a little thought.

PokerMonkey threw a mini-strop about one such player. This guy, all evening, called any bet in any position if his hand contained 2 cards between 4 & 6. 4-6, 5-6, 5-7, 6-6. Without exception, every time. So he busted J-J, K-K, & A-A, but even still, "good" players were not adjusting to this, & merrily firing away, it was bet-call, bet call, jam call, "oh, you have 2 pairs you fish", followed by a mini-rant to everyone who would listen. Hmm.

Awesome entertainment, though why folks get arsey with so-called bad players remains a mystery to me.*

I ran good all evening, was never below average, or even near it, but took an ugly beat in a peculiar 3 way all-in coup with 12 left, & so started blind-shoving, eventually perishing on the final-table bubble. Very enjoyable, really, & I'll likely play tonight's £100, too.

Got nipped for £500, too - first time in many years that's happened. Think the money's good, but even so, basic error. We shall see.

* I get SO many e-Mails, Facebook messages, etc, next door, about "the disgustingly bad players on Sky Poker, they are so bad, they call with anything, I'm never playing on Sky Poker again, the players are woefully bad."

I really do wonder what goes through the minds of people who write that sort of stuff. They don't want to play really bad players......only poker players could say such nonsense, but they see others write it, & without thinking it through, just repeat it. "Can't beat these bloody idiots, I'm off to 'Stars"...... Good luck with that, guys.

Hmmm  you make calling with mid connectors a bad thing...perfect for busting those that cannot release big pairs or cant control pots

[tikay]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

"eye-opening".

It's true to say that many - most? - live players could be described, & often are, by internet players, as being "technically awful". But they make it awkward to play. They call every hand, every street, & if they are hitting cards, they end up with 2 pairs & take pot after pot. They are quite simply unreadable, but there is a way to play against them, though it requires a little thought.

PokerMonkey threw a mini-strop about one such player. This guy, all evening, called any bet in any position if his hand contained 2 cards between 4 & 6. 4-6, 5-6, 5-7, 6-6. Without exception, every time. So he busted J-J, K-K, & A-A, but even still, "good" players were not adjusting to this, & merrily firing away, it was bet-call, bet call, jam call, "oh, you have 2 pairs you fish", followed by a mini-rant to everyone who would listen. Hmm.

Awesome entertainment, though why folks get arsey with so-called bad players remains a mystery to me.*

I ran good all evening, was never below average, or even near it, but took an ugly beat in a peculiar 3 way all-in coup with 12 left, & so started blind-shoving, eventually perishing on the final-table bubble. Very enjoyable, really, & I'll likely play tonight's £100, too.

Got nipped for £500, too - first time in many years that's happened. Think the money's good, but even so, basic error. We shall see.

* I get SO many e-Mails, Facebook messages, etc, next door, about "the disgustingly bad players on Sky Poker, they are so bad, they call with anything, I'm never playing on Sky Poker again, the players are woefully bad."

I really do wonder what goes through the minds of people who write that sort of stuff. They don't want to play really bad players......only poker players could say such nonsense, but they see others write it, & without thinking it through, just repeat it. "Can't beat these bloody idiots, I'm off to 'Stars"...... Good luck with that, guys.

5-7 is between 4&6?

Typo, intended to write "between 4 & 7".

Did he show you his hand every time he folded?
If so, why did no-one object?

I only ask because you seem so adamant.

No, of course not!

I'm adamant, because I know, & I know, because I took the trouble to find out, unlike the rest of the Table who did not appear to be watching what was happening.

I like to "make friends" with my Table companions, & chat a little, & this guy was warm & friendly, with good manners.

I watched him bust 2 big hands in Level 1, once with 5-6, once with 4-6.  The whole Table were giving him grief, but he just sat there quietly, & never responded.

So I quietly asked him, "what's with the 5-6 & 4-6 hands mate?"

He said he NEVER folded such hands, they were his favourite hands.

So, if he was in the hand, & the flop had hit such a hand, I'd stay schtum, & try not to give anything away to others, but it was obvious what he had. And when he won those 3 big hands (2 before the break, 1 after), I knew his exact holding long before he turned it over. Others had not been paying attention, & paid the price, of course.

I think he exited with 4-6 too, in fact. It giveth, & it taketh away.

[mondatoo]

thought this was quite interesting
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/stars-shill-accounts-1041814/


cliffs

-In another thread Stars' head of security posts under an anonymous account pointing out contradictions in FTP's public statements and encourages players to file complaints to FTP's licensing body giving them advice on what to say and how to do it.

-Former Stars employee, now FTP employee, is irked by post and begins outing Stars shill accounts. Including the head of security as above, and mbpoker as being Isai Scheinberg, the owner and founder of Stars.

-Isai has been posting anonymously for nearly a decade on 2+2 praising Stars while artfully implying he is a player without explicitly saying as much.

-Stars 'advocates' dispute it is him, but ultimately accept it is.

-Discussion ensues on whether what he did was right or wrong. Opinions are mixed and generally seem to agree it was wrong but not necessarily harmful.

-People are able to out his old identities on rec.gambling newsgroup due to information gleaned from his mbpoker posts and name. His pre-stars postings provide interesting insight into an otherwise very opaque figure. These newsgroup postings also provides absolute proof that mbpoker is indeed Isai Schienberg.

"Interesting"? Just a bit.

This stuff is blowing my mind, it really is. Some of the revelations since Black Friday (& I have, I think, read & carefully absorbed every word) really have shocked me. Of course, most are unproven, but the weight of evidence is telling.....

I won't be arguing with anyone on this, no point, but I am utterly convinced that the EU Trade Commissioners & Financial watchdogs must be reading all this stuff, being worded by the Americans, & be considering pulling the plug on 'Stars & Tilt, & having a European version of Black Friday. And everyone will wake up all shocked & surprised, & think "wtf, what about the money I have on deposit with them?" They need not worry, they will all get their money back, (after some delay), but I am convinced it will happen.  It's all about "fit & proper persons" (to run a Company that holds huge amounts of punters funds).

If you believed half the "Black Friday" stories - if - would you really leave your cash on deposit with them?

Scary times for the trustworthy & gullible alike.

Even if you are right though, surely good players should still keep money on there and make money for as long as possible, then, if the shit does hit the fan, as you think it will, in the end they'll get there money back anyway.

[tikay]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

"eye-opening".

It's true to say that many - most? - live players could be described, & often are, by internet players, as being "technically awful". But they make it awkward to play. They call every hand, every street, & if they are hitting cards, they end up with 2 pairs & take pot after pot. They are quite simply unreadable, but there is a way to play against them, though it requires a little thought.

PokerMonkey threw a mini-strop about one such player. This guy, all evening, called any bet in any position if his hand contained 2 cards between 4 & 6. 4-6, 5-6, 5-7, 6-6. Without exception, every time. So he busted J-J, K-K, & A-A, but even still, "good" players were not adjusting to this, & merrily firing away, it was bet-call, bet call, jam call, "oh, you have 2 pairs you fish", followed by a mini-rant to everyone who would listen. Hmm.

Awesome entertainment, though why folks get arsey with so-called bad players remains a mystery to me.*

I ran good all evening, was never below average, or even near it, but took an ugly beat in a peculiar 3 way all-in coup with 12 left, & so started blind-shoving, eventually perishing on the final-table bubble. Very enjoyable, really, & I'll likely play tonight's £100, too.

Got nipped for £500, too - first time in many years that's happened. Think the money's good, but even so, basic error. We shall see.

* I get SO many e-Mails, Facebook messages, etc, next door, about "the disgustingly bad players on Sky Poker, they are so bad, they call with anything, I'm never playing on Sky Poker again, the players are woefully bad."

I really do wonder what goes through the minds of people who write that sort of stuff. They don't want to play really bad players......only poker players could say such nonsense, but they see others write it, & without thinking it through, just repeat it. "Can't beat these bloody idiots, I'm off to 'Stars"...... Good luck with that, guys.

Hmmm  you make calling with mid connectors a bad thing...perfect for busting those that cannot release big pairs or cant control pots

Err, no - where did I say that?

On the contrary, someone else on the Table was doing the complaining. That was my whole point, actually.....

The hand where he busted J-J, the Board was 5-6-9-K-3, & Oppo just kept firing with his J-J. Pot control? What pot control?! They both started the hand (in Level 1 or 2) with about 15k, & all bar 4k went in. One pair? Its gotta be goot.

[tikay]

thought this was quite interesting
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/stars-shill-accounts-1041814/


cliffs

-In another thread Stars' head of security posts under an anonymous account pointing out contradictions in FTP's public statements and encourages players to file complaints to FTP's licensing body giving them advice on what to say and how to do it.

-Former Stars employee, now FTP employee, is irked by post and begins outing Stars shill accounts. Including the head of security as above, and mbpoker as being Isai Scheinberg, the owner and founder of Stars.

-Isai has been posting anonymously for nearly a decade on 2+2 praising Stars while artfully implying he is a player without explicitly saying as much.

-Stars 'advocates' dispute it is him, but ultimately accept it is.

-Discussion ensues on whether what he did was right or wrong. Opinions are mixed and generally seem to agree it was wrong but not necessarily harmful.

-People are able to out his old identities on rec.gambling newsgroup due to information gleaned from his mbpoker posts and name. His pre-stars postings provide interesting insight into an otherwise very opaque figure. These newsgroup postings also provides absolute proof that mbpoker is indeed Isai Schienberg.

"Interesting"? Just a bit.

This stuff is blowing my mind, it really is. Some of the revelations since Black Friday (& I have, I think, read & carefully absorbed every word) really have shocked me. Of course, most are unproven, but the weight of evidence is telling.....

I won't be arguing with anyone on this, no point, but I am utterly convinced that the EU Trade Commissioners & Financial watchdogs must be reading all this stuff, being worded by the Americans, & be considering pulling the plug on 'Stars & Tilt, & having a European version of Black Friday. And everyone will wake up all shocked & surprised, & think "wtf, what about the money I have on deposit with them?" They need not worry, they will all get their money back, (after some delay), but I am convinced it will happen.  It's all about "fit & proper persons" (to run a Company that holds huge amounts of punters funds).

If you believed half the "Black Friday" stories - if - would you really leave your cash on deposit with them?

Scary times for the trustworthy & gullible alike.

Even if you are right though, surely good players should still keep money on there and make money for as long as possible, then, if the shit does hit the fan, as you think it will, in the end they'll get there money back anyway.

Yes, let's hope* so.

* My old Boss, JNK, used to say "hope is for Churches" when I would sometimes lamely say, "err yes John, I know the debt list looks a bit dodgy, but I hope we will get paid".....

I'm sure it will all be fine. But I'm convinced it will happen. There'll be some wailing & screaming when - sorry, if - it does, mind.

[mondatoo]

thought this was quite interesting
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/stars-shill-accounts-1041814/


cliffs

-In another thread Stars' head of security posts under an anonymous account pointing out contradictions in FTP's public statements and encourages players to file complaints to FTP's licensing body giving them advice on what to say and how to do it.

-Former Stars employee, now FTP employee, is irked by post and begins outing Stars shill accounts. Including the head of security as above, and mbpoker as being Isai Scheinberg, the owner and founder of Stars.

-Isai has been posting anonymously for nearly a decade on 2+2 praising Stars while artfully implying he is a player without explicitly saying as much.

-Stars 'advocates' dispute it is him, but ultimately accept it is.

-Discussion ensues on whether what he did was right or wrong. Opinions are mixed and generally seem to agree it was wrong but not necessarily harmful.

-People are able to out his old identities on rec.gambling newsgroup due to information gleaned from his mbpoker posts and name. His pre-stars postings provide interesting insight into an otherwise very opaque figure. These newsgroup postings also provides absolute proof that mbpoker is indeed Isai Schienberg.

"Interesting"? Just a bit.

This stuff is blowing my mind, it really is. Some of the revelations since Black Friday (& I have, I think, read & carefully absorbed every word) really have shocked me. Of course, most are unproven, but the weight of evidence is telling.....

I won't be arguing with anyone on this, no point, but I am utterly convinced that the EU Trade Commissioners & Financial watchdogs must be reading all this stuff, being worded by the Americans, & be considering pulling the plug on 'Stars & Tilt, & having a European version of Black Friday. And everyone will wake up all shocked & surprised, & think "wtf, what about the money I have on deposit with them?" They need not worry, they will all get their money back, (after some delay), but I am convinced it will happen.  It's all about "fit & proper persons" (to run a Company that holds huge amounts of punters funds).

If you believed half the "Black Friday" stories - if - would you really leave your cash on deposit with them?

Scary times for the trustworthy & gullible alike.

Even if you are right though, surely good players should still keep money on there and make money for as long as possible, then, if the shit does hit the fan, as you think it will, in the end they'll get there money back anyway.

Yes, let's hope* so.

* My old Boss, JNK, used to say "hope is for Churches" when I would sometimes lamely say, "err yes John, I know the debt list looks a bit dodgy, but I hope we will get paid".....

I'm sure it will all be fine. But I'm convinced it will happen. There'll be some wailing & screaming when - sorry, if - it does, mind.

I think some people where like this when Black Friday happened, and not surprisingly so, I know I would've been if I had 6-7 figs on there as some did, but now everyone knows that Stars and Tilt aren't "untouchable" as we maybe all thought and I'd have thought they have adjusted there bankrolls accordingly.

[tikay]

thought this was quite interesting
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/stars-shill-accounts-1041814/


cliffs

-In another thread Stars' head of security posts under an anonymous account pointing out contradictions in FTP's public statements and encourages players to file complaints to FTP's licensing body giving them advice on what to say and how to do it.

-Former Stars employee, now FTP employee, is irked by post and begins outing Stars shill accounts. Including the head of security as above, and mbpoker as being Isai Scheinberg, the owner and founder of Stars.

-Isai has been posting anonymously for nearly a decade on 2+2 praising Stars while artfully implying he is a player without explicitly saying as much.

-Stars 'advocates' dispute it is him, but ultimately accept it is.

-Discussion ensues on whether what he did was right or wrong. Opinions are mixed and generally seem to agree it was wrong but not necessarily harmful.

-People are able to out his old identities on rec.gambling newsgroup due to information gleaned from his mbpoker posts and name. His pre-stars postings provide interesting insight into an otherwise very opaque figure. These newsgroup postings also provides absolute proof that mbpoker is indeed Isai Schienberg.

"Interesting"? Just a bit.

This stuff is blowing my mind, it really is. Some of the revelations since Black Friday (& I have, I think, read & carefully absorbed every word) really have shocked me. Of course, most are unproven, but the weight of evidence is telling.....

I won't be arguing with anyone on this, no point, but I am utterly convinced that the EU Trade Commissioners & Financial watchdogs must be reading all this stuff, being worded by the Americans, & be considering pulling the plug on 'Stars & Tilt, & having a European version of Black Friday. And everyone will wake up all shocked & surprised, & think "wtf, what about the money I have on deposit with them?" They need not worry, they will all get their money back, (after some delay), but I am convinced it will happen.  It's all about "fit & proper persons" (to run a Company that holds huge amounts of punters funds).

If you believed half the "Black Friday" stories - if - would you really leave your cash on deposit with them?

Scary times for the trustworthy & gullible alike.

Even if you are right though, surely good players should still keep money on there and make money for as long as possible, then, if the shit does hit the fan, as you think it will, in the end they'll get there money back anyway.

Yes, let's hope* so.

* My old Boss, JNK, used to say "hope is for Churches" when I would sometimes lamely say, "err yes John, I know the debt list looks a bit dodgy, but I hope we will get paid".....

I'm sure it will all be fine. But I'm convinced it will happen. There'll be some wailing & screaming when - sorry, if - it does, mind.

I think some people where like this when Black Friday happened, and not surprisingly so, I know I would've been if I had 6-7 figs on there as some did, but now everyone knows that Stars and Tilt aren't "untouchable" as we maybe all thought and I'd have thought they have adjusted there bankrolls accordingly.

Yes, one would hope think so.

[vegaslover]

Wednesday Luton report please boss

"eye-opening".

It's true to say that many - most? - live players could be described, & often are, by internet players, as being "technically awful". But they make it awkward to play. They call every hand, every street, & if they are hitting cards, they end up with 2 pairs & take pot after pot. They are quite simply unreadable, but there is a way to play against them, though it requires a little thought.

PokerMonkey threw a mini-strop about one such player. This guy, all evening, called any bet in any position if his hand contained 2 cards between 4 & 6. 4-6, 5-6, 5-7, 6-6. Without exception, every time. So he busted J-J, K-K, & A-A, but even still, "good" players were not adjusting to this, & merrily firing away, it was bet-call, bet call, jam call, "oh, you have 2 pairs you fish", followed by a mini-rant to everyone who would listen. Hmm.

Awesome entertainment, though why folks get arsey with so-called bad players remains a mystery to me.*

I ran good all evening, was never below average, or even near it, but took an ugly beat in a peculiar 3 way all-in coup with 12 left, & so started blind-shoving, eventually perishing on the final-table bubble. Very enjoyable, really, & I'll likely play tonight's £100, too.

Got nipped for £500, too - first time in many years that's happened. Think the money's good, but even so, basic error. We shall see.

* I get SO many e-Mails, Facebook messages, etc, next door, about "the disgustingly bad players on Sky Poker, they are so bad, they call with anything, I'm never playing on Sky Poker again, the players are woefully bad."

I really do wonder what goes through the minds of people who write that sort of stuff. They don't want to play really bad players......only poker players could say such nonsense, but they see others write it, & without thinking it through, just repeat it. "Can't beat these bloody idiots, I'm off to 'Stars"...... Good luck with that, guys.

Hmmm  you make calling with mid connectors a bad thing...perfect for busting those that cannot release big pairs or cant control pots

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It's these players calling others bad who are the poor players imo

[the sicilian]

LOL... it takes subtlety to play the mid connectors and not too chase to hard..hit it hard or dump it..... people get to carried away with big pairs...a control check somewhere in the hand is often a good thing.. the mistake they make is being too concerned with what they have in their hand rather than what their oppo is calling with on a dry board..willie tann is a master with big pairs..he either checks flop or turn and catches them bluffing or overplaying without ever over committing himself...

but hey I'm crap what i know.....