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« Reply #40545 on: December 10, 2014, 10:18:57 AM »
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To settle a debate I had last night, when discussing "Terms & Conditions", which of these is the correct way to say it?

"T's & C's"

"T & C's"

I'm convinced it is the latter, but I can't exactly explain why.

normal usage is the former

terms and conditions not term and conditions

Yes. I wouldn't use the apostrophes, but it doesn't really matter.
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« Reply #40546 on: December 10, 2014, 10:20:12 AM »
Quote from: TightEnd on December 10, 2014, 10:15:26 AM
Quote from: tikay on December 10, 2014, 09:33:20 AM


To settle a debate I had last night, when discussing "Terms & Conditions", which of these is the correct way to say it?

"T's & C's"

"T & C's"

I'm convinced it is the latter, but I can't exactly explain why.

normal usage is the former

terms and conditions not term and conditions

Normal, yes, but wrong, surely?

A set of Terms & Conditions is a single entity.

We are discussing that single entity.

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« Reply #40547 on: December 10, 2014, 10:21:08 AM »


Oh bugger, Tighty & Tal both disagree with me.

Very unusual for them both to be wrong.
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« Reply #40548 on: December 10, 2014, 10:21:08 AM »
Quote from: tikay on December 10, 2014, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: TightEnd on December 10, 2014, 10:15:26 AM
Quote from: tikay on December 10, 2014, 09:33:20 AM


To settle a debate I had last night, when discussing "Terms & Conditions", which of these is the correct way to say it?

"T's & C's"

"T & C's"

I'm convinced it is the latter, but I can't exactly explain why.

normal usage is the former

terms and conditions not term and conditions

Normal, yes, but wrong, surely?

A set of Terms & Conditions is a single entity.

We are discussing that single entity.



an example where general practice differs from what is correct, but became standard usage
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« Reply #40549 on: December 10, 2014, 10:21:54 AM »
Quote from: TightEnd on December 10, 2014, 10:21:08 AM
Quote from: tikay on December 10, 2014, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: TightEnd on December 10, 2014, 10:15:26 AM
Quote from: tikay on December 10, 2014, 09:33:20 AM


To settle a debate I had last night, when discussing "Terms & Conditions", which of these is the correct way to say it?

"T's & C's"

"T & C's"

I'm convinced it is the latter, but I can't exactly explain why.

normal usage is the former

terms and conditions not term and conditions

Normal, yes, but wrong, surely?

A set of Terms & Conditions is a single entity.

We are discussing that single entity.



an example where general practice differs from what is correct, but became standard usage

Perfect.

So it's wrong, but it's OK. 

All very fun
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« Reply #40550 on: December 10, 2014, 10:31:32 AM »
Quote from: tikay on December 10, 2014, 10:21:54 AM
Quote from: TightEnd on December 10, 2014, 10:21:08 AM
Quote from: tikay on December 10, 2014, 10:20:12 AM
Quote from: TightEnd on December 10, 2014, 10:15:26 AM
Quote from: tikay on December 10, 2014, 09:33:20 AM


To settle a debate I had last night, when discussing "Terms & Conditions", which of these is the correct way to say it?

"T's & C's"

"T & C's"

I'm convinced it is the latter, but I can't exactly explain why.

normal usage is the former

terms and conditions not term and conditions

Normal, yes, but wrong, surely?

A set of Terms & Conditions is a single entity.

We are discussing that single entity.



an example where general practice differs from what is correct, but became standard usage

Perfect.

So it's wrong, but it's OK. 

All very fun

No. Terms is plural, so the abbreviation should logically do so, too. The abbreviation is the problem, as there's no real need to do so in speech, but we've chosen to do so and, having done so, it's spoken as "tees and sees apply"
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« Reply #40551 on: December 10, 2014, 10:40:04 AM »


Ridiculous.
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« Reply #40552 on: December 10, 2014, 10:56:33 AM »
Another thought - can't believe I'm biting BTW - is that the Terms of the contract and the conditions of sale are separate things, so they'd need to take their own plural.


Tess and Claudia are streets ahead of the Ant and Decs of this world is fine because we treat them as a single entity: a double act

Are all the B&Qs full on a Bank Holiday Monday?! likewise


We're rounding up all the old music you have, so would you please bring in all your unwanted LPs and CDs? needs two plurals.

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« Reply #40553 on: December 10, 2014, 10:59:37 AM »
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Another thought - can't believe I'm biting BTW - is that the Terms of the contract and the conditions of sale are separate things, so they'd need to take their own plural.

Tess and Claudia are streets ahead of the Ant and Decs of this world is fine because we treat them as a single entity: a double act

Are all the B&Qs full on a Bank Holiday Monday?! likewise


We're rounding up all the old music you have, so would you please bring in all your unwanted LPs and CDs? needs two plurals.



I don't think they are though.

They (T & C's) are a group, a single grouping.
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« Reply #40554 on: December 10, 2014, 11:01:37 AM »
Quote from: Tal on December 10, 2014, 10:56:33 AM
Another thought - can't believe I'm biting BTW - is that the Terms of the contract and the conditions of sale are separate things, so they'd need to take their own plural.


Tess and Claudia are streets ahead of the Ant and Decs of this world is fine because we treat them as a single entity: a double act

Are all the B&Qs full on a Bank Holiday Monday?! likewise


We're rounding up all the old music you have, so would you please bring in all your unwanted LPs and CDs? needs two plurals.





What an excellent explanation. Even I understand now.
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« Reply #40555 on: December 10, 2014, 11:02:16 AM »
I read a book once. Green it was.

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« Reply #40556 on: December 10, 2014, 11:05:24 AM »
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« Reply #40557 on: December 10, 2014, 11:07:04 AM »
I am still convinced that the correct plural of "buy in" is buys in.

Tal insisted that I was incorrect last time I raised the subject, although I really don't understand why anything other than the "buy" should be in the plural.
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« Reply #40558 on: December 10, 2014, 11:07:26 AM »
I would have thought it was just T&Cs

No need for spaces or apostrophes
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« Reply #40559 on: December 10, 2014, 11:09:37 AM »
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