Vegas & The Aftermath - Diary

[tikay]

With 1,350 in the pot already, I doubt he can fold to a check-raise, so you're probably best off pushing as was your original plan.

I guess so, yes. With my stack, the hand really plays itself I suppose, & plays the same either way. But yes, I'd have looked daft (more daft) if he checked behind me!

calling preflop is a bit loose I think, you only getting like 5/1 implied odds, and if he has a biggie, you dont hit a hand/draw often enough to justify the preflop call. IMO of course.. I also agree with snoops that you might as well ship it in first on the flop incase he gets potstuck with a hand like 1010 or 99.

Enjoying the diary immensely, good work captain!

Can't disagree, it was a very bad, & loose call, & I never had the odds at all.

Again, though, this is where I struggle with Books.

I had a situation here where, to be honest, I was sinking towards the danger zone, & I needed to make something happen. I'd missed everything previously, & it gets into your mind to play different - and, I agree, badly. But that's what happens in real life, a Rock suddenly does something daft - but they never take account of that in Books.

I've never seen Thewy's stack "dribble away", these guys suddenly decide to try & make something happen. Of course, once I'd seen that Flop, that was that, it's going in, but as always, the real mistake was the first one - the pre-flop Call.

So many of my big mistakes & bad errors come from the tinsy-winsy first error, & escalate from there. I guess books might help there - they'd say don't make daft calls! But we do - & it's what we do then that matters.

I must not make daft pre-flop calls.

I must not make daft pre-flop calls.

I must not make daft pre-flop calls.

I must not make daft pre-flop calls.

I must not make daft pre-flop calls.

PS - Except when I need to "make things happen".........

[Bongo]

So many of my big mistakes & bad errors come from the tinsy-winsy first error, & escalate from there. I guess books might help there - they'd say don't make daft calls! But we do - & it's what we do then that matters.

I remember reading a pro tip on that subject many years ago on the Hendon Mob's site, they called it "Compound Error" I do believe.

[Robert HM]

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[Ecosse]

 

[MANTIS01]

FYP

[Claw75]

FYP

brilliant!

[vegaslover]

 

[phatomch]

post of the year 

[spacefrog]

I read somewhere that every Capital City on Earth sits on a big river, & all major Cities do, too. Which explains why Birmingham is pants.

Hello, you never go in Athens or Roma? Tiber is a little water and is not any in Athens.

[tikay]

I read somewhere that every Capital City on Earth sits on a big river, & all major Cities do, too. Which explains why Birmingham is pants.

Hello, you never go in Athens or Roma? Tiber is a little water and is not any in Athens.

Rome = Pants

Athens = Double Pants.

[tikay]

FYP

You are not funny. I'm certainly not laughing.

Flushy would eat you if he were here......

[tikay]

With 1,350 in the pot already, I doubt he can fold to a check-raise, so you're probably best off pushing as was your original plan.

I guess so, yes. With my stack, the hand really plays itself I suppose, & plays the same either way. But yes, I'd have looked daft (more daft) if he checked behind me!

calling preflop is a bit loose I think, you only getting like 5/1 implied odds, and if he has a biggie, you dont hit a hand/draw often enough to justify the preflop call. IMO of course.. I also agree with snoops that you might as well ship it in first on the flop incase he gets potstuck with a hand like 1010 or 99.

Enjoying the diary immensely, good work captain!

I've been mulling over the "implied odds" thing this evening, & I wonder if we are thinking right - odd-wise - here.

First up, Post-Flop, yes, if we always call or push "with the right odds" then over time, we'll be a net winner. Poker is a mere irrelevance compared to Maths, & the Maths never fail over time.

But pre-flop, well, we cannot just wait for situations where we have the odds, surely? I mean, the facts are, there are just not enough situations where we have the right pre-flop odds. Have you (the Royal you, that is...) never called heads-up or against two oppos with suited connectors? Of course you have, because it depends on so many things, not just odds, & we CAN call with unfavourable odds against, for instance, someone who's a bit lairy, at-it, or just a serial-raiser. (And forget, for now, my call in this instance, which we can agree was a horror). We do NOT have to hit to win, either, we can nick it down the line if weakness is shown. Where, in "implied odds" is nicking the Pot allowed for?

My own little rule with suited connectors is situation & opponent specific, but personally, I'll make "wrong odds" calls with suited connectors very often. In my case, I award a nadge of extra merit to any suited connectors containing a 5 or a 10, as we can't make any straight without either of those two appearing at some stage, & our reasoning behind calling with suited connectors is really to hit either a straight or a flush. One pair, two pair, or trips is just a bonus. So if I hold 4-5, 5-6, 9-T or T-J, suited, I'm very often gonna make a bad odds play. Although we cannot argue with Maths & probability post-flop, I think pre-flop, especially with blinds low, it is something we have to do.

Finally, I know many a successful tourney player who has absolutely no idea or conception of "correct odds". I think, in Tourney play, we have to judge "implied odds" with a pinch of salt sometimes.

Thoughts?

[tikay]

Implied odds again.....

This hand has just gone down at The Broadway, it's DC v Thewy, see.....

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=27563.165

Did Thewy know he was a 25% to 75% Post-Flop dog here? Did he CARE? I bet Thewy has no idea, technically, about the precise implied odds, but it don't seem to stop him winning.

Books teach implied odds, don't they?

[RED-DOG]

When you are short stack and the blinds are getting big, you are happy to get your chips in on the flop with a flush draw. If you are only getting evens, in theory you are not getting the right price to call, but it's still the right move.

[tikay]

Value, example one.

I paid £1.45 for a small bottle of water in a Motorway Service Station today. Think on THAT for value......

£1-9s for a bottle of water!