blonde poker forum
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
July 22, 2025, 11:02:57 PM

Login with username, password and session length
Search:     Advanced search
2262378 Posts in 66606 Topics by 16991 Members
Latest Member: nolankerwin
* Home Help Arcade Search Calendar Guidelines Login Register
+  blonde poker forum
|-+  Poker Forums
| |-+  The Rail
| | |-+  David Singer eliminated because of a weak TD
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. « previous next »
Pages: [1] 2 3 4 Go Down Print
Author Topic: David Singer eliminated because of a weak TD  (Read 6327 times)
BigTomatoes
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 1146


play your part


View Profile
« on: July 08, 2007, 04:25:28 PM »


 David Singer went all in in the WSOP with a pair and a flush draw.
 
 slight favourite over his oppos top pair.

 his opponent took his mobile out his pocket and pushed the buttons.

 apparently if you do anything with your phone at the table your hand is dead , so technically this guys hand is dead.

 Singer asked the dealer what he was going to do ? his opponent , sensing Singer did'nt want a call , called.

 the dealer called over the floor man and he ruled that the hand plays.

 so Singer was knocked out because of a WSOP official not backing up what is clearly in the rules.

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=olgvDTuqFys

 does he have a case for a refund or another crack though ? > thats another question.
Logged

is it cold in his shadow ?
bobby1
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 9573



View Profile
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2007, 04:28:28 PM »

no, angle shooting and gave the oppo the info to call himself.
Logged

“The two most important days in your life are the day you are born and the day you find out why.”
kinboshi
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 44239


We go again.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2007, 04:31:30 PM »

As it was reported in the live-update the hole cards had been dealt, and the player's phone rang and he picked it up and stopped it ringing and then put it down immediately.

Not sure exactly what the rule is here, but it looks to me like the common sense ruling was applied.

Saying that, why have your phone switched on at the table in the first place?
Logged

'The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.'
doubleup
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 7130


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2007, 04:37:27 PM »


The actual rule refers to using a mobile phone.  Singer's opponent was clearly not doing this.  According to tournament officials he turned off the ringing phone and no more.  Singer should grow up.
Logged
JungleCat03
Insidious underminer
Learning Centre Group
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 4270



View Profile WWW
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2007, 04:45:06 PM »

I think if there's a rule you can't use mobile phones at the table then they should stick to that and if there isn't a rule there should be.

FFS, looking at your phone during a hand! That's so ridiculously open to abuse that it should be fairly obvious you aren't allowed to do it.

If you want to use your phone, walk away from the table and switch it on(seeing as it's off when you're playing surely, no one wants a cacophony of stupid ringtones interrupting play)

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.
Logged

"In darker days Jason Robinson found God. But that was after God found Jason Robinson."
kinboshi
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 44239


We go again.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2007, 04:48:23 PM »

I think if there's a rule you can't use mobile phones at the table then they should stick to that and if there isn't a rule there should be.

FFS, looking at your phone during a hand! That's so ridiculously open to abuse that it should be fairly obvious you aren't allowed to do it.

If you want to use your phone, walk away from the table and switch it on(seeing as it's off when you're playing surely, no one wants a cacophony of stupid ringtones interrupting play)

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

I think the TD should have ruled in his favour IF there was a blanket rule in place.  I also agree that a blanket rule should be in place.

However, it seems that there isn't a blanket rule, and so the TD ruled correctly.
Logged

'The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.'
kinboshi
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 44239


We go again.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2007, 04:50:48 PM »

What's the rule in the UK with regards to phone use at the table?  I bet there isn't a consistent rule is there - and each casino has its own version?
Logged

'The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.'
Div
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 911



View Profile WWW
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2007, 05:00:02 PM »

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

Apparently they checked the security tapes, checked the guys phone, and confirmed it was impossible for him to have read any message. He picked the phone up to turn it off.

How many of us have been at a wedding or funeral and a phone has gone off midway through the service?

Singer comes across as a bit of a crybaby in the interview.
Logged

'Price is what you pay. Value is what you get.'
- Warren Buffett

http://pokerdiv.blogspot.com
AlexMartin
spewtards r us
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 8039


rat+rabbiting society of herts- future champ


View Profile WWW
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2007, 05:00:19 PM »

What's the rule in the UK with regards to phone use at the table?  I bet there isn't a consistent rule is there - and each casino has its own version?

The same with virtually all casino rules in the UK. We should be pushing for stricted guidelines.  The best i ever saw was a guy say "i call" to what he thought was a £80 bet. When he found out it was £250 he changed his mind, bizarrely, his opponent was ok with him not calling and he was allowed to fold.
Logged
AndrewT
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 15483



View Profile WWW
« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2007, 05:00:47 PM »

TD making a ruling in favour of common sense - sounds like a strong TD to me, not a weak one.
Logged
doubleup
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 7130


View Profile
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2007, 05:02:46 PM »

I think if there's a rule you can't use mobile phones at the table then they should stick to that and if there isn't a rule there should be.

FFS, looking at your phone during a hand! That's so ridiculously open to abuse that it should be fairly obvious you aren't allowed to do it.

If you want to use your phone, walk away from the table and switch it on(seeing as it's off when you're playing surely, no one wants a cacophony of stupid ringtones interrupting play)

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

According to a post on 2p2

"Surveillance cameras confirmed that, A) the player in question did not look at his phone, and B) his only action was to silence the phone's ringer and quickly put it back into his pocket."

Repeat - he did not "use" his phone and did not break the rules.  

Singer quite obviously realised that he was in danger of elimination and attempted to win the hand by default.  In doing so he gave away the weakness of his hand and got called.  

  
Logged
JungleCat03
Insidious underminer
Learning Centre Group
Hero Member
*
Offline Offline

Posts: 4270



View Profile WWW
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 05:13:04 PM »

I think if there's a rule you can't use mobile phones at the table then they should stick to that and if there isn't a rule there should be.

FFS, looking at your phone during a hand! That's so ridiculously open to abuse that it should be fairly obvious you aren't allowed to do it.

If you want to use your phone, walk away from the table and switch it on(seeing as it's off when you're playing surely, no one wants a cacophony of stupid ringtones interrupting play)

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

According to a post on 2p2

"Surveillance cameras confirmed that, A) the player in question did not look at his phone, and B) his only action was to silence the phone's ringer and quickly put it back into his pocket."

Repeat - he did not "use" his phone and did not break the rules. 

Singer quite obviously realised that he was in danger of elimination and attempted to win the hand by default.  In doing so he gave away the weakness of his hand and got called. 

 

Fair play then, if he hadn't broken the rules then the ruling was right.

However I do think there's a strong argument that even having your phone on at the tables should be outlawed except in exceptional cases.

I'm not the kind of person to cheat at the tables but I can think of some very easy ways to get an edge at the tables simply by having my phone on.
Logged

"In darker days Jason Robinson found God. But that was after God found Jason Robinson."
Bongo
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 8824



View Profile
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 05:18:45 PM »

Getting someone to ring you when you should call for example...
Logged

Do you think it's dangerous to have Busby Berkeley dreams?
kinboshi
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Offline Offline

Posts: 44239


We go again.


View Profile WWW
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2007, 05:22:29 PM »

Getting someone to ring you when you should call for example...

I see what you did there... although that would assume someone within viewing distance could see the play, and could make the decision better than the player at the table. 

 
Logged

'The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging rational inquiry.'
fearisthekey
Sr. Member
****
Offline Offline

Posts: 844


PL: 51S1NT 4R51MS


View Profile
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2007, 05:41:32 PM »

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

Apparently they checked the security tapes, checked the guys phone, and confirmed it was impossible for him to have read any message.

you can tell he's an american just by looking at security tapes?
Logged

W85N 494 T85 4R51M 253OM5 1 N978TM1R5

4ON0TW1K589MUP

CHEYNE STOKING

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 Go Up Print 
« previous next »
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
Page created in 0.083 seconds with 20 queries.