David Singer eliminated because of a weak TD

[BigTomatoes]

 David Singer went all in in the WSOP with a pair and a flush draw.
 
 slight favourite over his oppos top pair.

 his opponent took his mobile out his pocket and pushed the buttons.

 apparently if you do anything with your phone at the table your hand is dead , so technically this guys hand is dead.

 Singer asked the dealer what he was going to do ? his opponent , sensing Singer did'nt want a call , called.

 the dealer called over the floor man and he ruled that the hand plays.

 so Singer was knocked out because of a WSOP official not backing up what is clearly in the rules.

 http://youtube.com/watch?v=olgvDTuqFys

 does he have a case for a refund or another crack though ? > thats another question.

[bobby1]

no, angle shooting and gave the oppo the info to call himself.

[kinboshi]

As it was reported in the live-update the hole cards had been dealt, and the player's phone rang and he picked it up and stopped it ringing and then put it down immediately.

Not sure exactly what the rule is here, but it looks to me like the common sense ruling was applied.

Saying that, why have your phone switched on at the table in the first place?

[doubleup]

The actual rule refers to using a mobile phone.  Singer's opponent was clearly not doing this.  According to tournament officials he turned off the ringing phone and no more.  Singer should grow up.

[JungleCat03]

I think if there's a rule you can't use mobile phones at the table then they should stick to that and if there isn't a rule there should be.

FFS, looking at your phone during a hand! That's so ridiculously open to abuse that it should be fairly obvious you aren't allowed to do it.

If you want to use your phone, walk away from the table and switch it on(seeing as it's off when you're playing surely, no one wants a cacophony of stupid ringtones interrupting play)

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

[kinboshi]

I think if there's a rule you can't use mobile phones at the table then they should stick to that and if there isn't a rule there should be.

FFS, looking at your phone during a hand! That's so ridiculously open to abuse that it should be fairly obvious you aren't allowed to do it.

If you want to use your phone, walk away from the table and switch it on(seeing as it's off when you're playing surely, no one wants a cacophony of stupid ringtones interrupting play)

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

I think the TD should have ruled in his favour IF there was a blanket rule in place.  I also agree that a blanket rule should be in place.

However, it seems that there isn't a blanket rule, and so the TD ruled correctly.

[kinboshi]

What's the rule in the UK with regards to phone use at the table?  I bet there isn't a consistent rule is there - and each casino has its own version?

[Div]

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

Apparently they checked the security tapes, checked the guys phone, and confirmed it was impossible for him to have read any message. He picked the phone up to turn it off.

How many of us have been at a wedding or funeral and a phone has gone off midway through the service?

Singer comes across as a bit of a crybaby in the interview.

[AlexMartin]

What's the rule in the UK with regards to phone use at the table?  I bet there isn't a consistent rule is there - and each casino has its own version?

The same with virtually all casino rules in the UK. We should be pushing for stricted guidelines.  The best i ever saw was a guy say "i call" to what he thought was a £80 bet. When he found out it was £250 he changed his mind, bizarrely, his opponent was ok with him not calling and he was allowed to fold.

[AndrewT]

TD making a ruling in favour of common sense - sounds like a strong TD to me, not a weak one.

[doubleup]

I think if there's a rule you can't use mobile phones at the table then they should stick to that and if there isn't a rule there should be.

FFS, looking at your phone during a hand! That's so ridiculously open to abuse that it should be fairly obvious you aren't allowed to do it.

If you want to use your phone, walk away from the table and switch it on(seeing as it's off when you're playing surely, no one wants a cacophony of stupid ringtones interrupting play)

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

According to a post on 2p2

"Surveillance cameras confirmed that, A) the player in question did not look at his phone, and B) his only action was to silence the phone's ringer and quickly put it back into his pocket."

Repeat - he did not "use" his phone and did not break the rules.  

Singer quite obviously realised that he was in danger of elimination and attempted to win the hand by default.  In doing so he gave away the weakness of his hand and got called.  

  

[JungleCat03]

I think if there's a rule you can't use mobile phones at the table then they should stick to that and if there isn't a rule there should be.

FFS, looking at your phone during a hand! That's so ridiculously open to abuse that it should be fairly obvious you aren't allowed to do it.

If you want to use your phone, walk away from the table and switch it on(seeing as it's off when you're playing surely, no one wants a cacophony of stupid ringtones interrupting play)

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

According to a post on 2p2

"Surveillance cameras confirmed that, A) the player in question did not look at his phone, and B) his only action was to silence the phone's ringer and quickly put it back into his pocket."

Repeat - he did not "use" his phone and did not break the rules. 

Singer quite obviously realised that he was in danger of elimination and attempted to win the hand by default.  In doing so he gave away the weakness of his hand and got called. 

 

Fair play then, if he hadn't broken the rules then the ruling was right.

However I do think there's a strong argument that even having your phone on at the tables should be outlawed except in exceptional cases.

I'm not the kind of person to cheat at the tables but I can think of some very easy ways to get an edge at the tables simply by having my phone on.

[Bongo]

Getting someone to ring you when you should call for example...

[kinboshi]

Getting someone to ring you when you should call for example...

I see what you did there... although that would assume someone within viewing distance could see the play, and could make the decision better than the player at the table. 

 

[fearisthekey]

I think singer got ul...I'm not saying his opponent was pulling a fast one, but having a blanket rule of no checking your phone at the table makes sense and I think the TD should have ruled in his favour.

Apparently they checked the security tapes, checked the guys phone, and confirmed it was impossible for him to have read any message.

you can tell he's an american just by looking at security tapes?