Check or Bet?

[UpTheMariners]

Full Tilt Poker Game #3040862456: $1K Monday (22174865), Table 18 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:00:26 ET - 2007/07/24
Seat 1: csimmsux (17,807)
Seat 2: xx-ButtUgly-xx (20,281)
Seat 3: Poker4Cash (8,247)
Seat 4: schwags33 (5,623)
Seat 5: UpTheMariners (7,280)
Seat 6: vladdyp (10,610)
Seat 7: oakplayer (14,982)
Seat 8: davaylave (7,386)
Seat 9: MRGGoose (6,948)
csimmsux antes 50
xx-ButtUgly-xx antes 50
Poker4Cash antes 50
schwags33 antes 50
UpTheMariners antes 50
vladdyp antes 50
oakplayer antes 50
davaylave antes 50
MRGGoose antes 50
oakplayer posts the small blind of 200
davaylave posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [ ]
MRGGoose folds
csimmsux folds
xx-ButtUgly-xx has 15 seconds left to act
xx-ButtUgly-xx folds
Poker4Cash has 15 seconds left to act
Poker4Cash has reconnected
Poker4Cash calls 400
schwags33 folds
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners raises to 1,600
vladdyp folds
oakplayer has 15 seconds left to act
oakplayer folds
davaylave folds
Poker4Cash calls 1,200
*** FLOP *** [As ]
Poker4Cash checks
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners bets 2,000
Poker4Cash has 15 seconds left to act
Poker4Cash folds
Uncalled bet of 2,000 returned to UpTheMariners
UpTheMariners mucks
UpTheMariners wins the pot (4,250)
The blinds are now 250/500 with an ante of 50
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,250 | Rake 0
Board: [As ]
Seat 1: csimmsux folded before the Flop
Seat 2: xx-ButtUgly-xx folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Poker4Cash folded on the Flop
Seat 4: schwags33 folded before the Flop
Seat 5: UpTheMariners collected (4,250), mucked
Seat 6: vladdyp (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: oakplayer (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: davaylave (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: MRGGoose folded before the Flop

just moved tables...

my mate thinks i should of checked on this flop? is he right? i disagree

[doubleup]

Dont think it makes much difference to give a free card, unless the player is very agg and likely to bluff.  Ok he could pick up a set on the turn, but he could also pick up a draw and if you bet less than the pot you might give him odds to call.   

[temp0r]

well he's limp called a raise so he's never gonna be that strong. probably abit of a station so if i'm betting here i'm making it small but normally check and hope something interests him on the turn.

[AdamG]

limp calls cant have a nice A or would he have raised himself? or lead out... maybe check let him hit something interesting and bet at u

[AlexMartin]

One of the rare instances that i slowplay. But im careful no to do my stack in if another broadway card comes off.

[Benny Brox]

With a Rainbow set, I'd slowplay this even OOP. If he bets he probably has the A or a K with a decent kicker and you can get some chips from him. If he checks he may have a small pair or nothing therefore you want him to catch up a little. If you bet out he will probably only give you action with an A or QJ, otherwise he will fold. If he is a station, which the limp-call may suggest, you might get a call from a weak A or K. Can you explain why you disagree with the check?

[UpTheMariners]

With a Rainbow set, I'd slowplay this even OOP. If he bets he probably has the A or a K with a decent kicker and you can get some chips from him. If he checks he may have a small pair or nothing therefore you want him to catch up a little. If you bet out he will probably only give you action with an A or QJ, otherwise he will fold. If he is a station, which the limp-call may suggest, you might get a call from a weak A or K. Can you explain why you disagree with the check?

a little wierd but later in the tournament a similar situation happened...

Full Tilt Poker Game #3041364074: $1K Monday (22174865), Table 28 - 500/1000 Ante 125 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:47:57 ET - 2007/07/24
Seat 1: UpTheMariners (11,300)
Seat 2: gutshot04 (4,080)
Seat 4: P0KERPR0 (10,565)
Seat 5: Pechorin (39,093)
Seat 6: CrazyMarco (29,530)
Seat 7: jeffreyjjj (20,244)
Seat 8: davaylave (6,761)
Seat 9: tuna_fish_tank (15,743)
UpTheMariners antes 125
gutshot04 antes 125
P0KERPR0 antes 125
Pechorin antes 125
CrazyMarco antes 125
jeffreyjjj antes 125
davaylave antes 125
tuna_fish_tank antes 125
CrazyMarco posts the small blind of 500
jeffreyjjj posts the big blind of 1,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [ ]
davaylave folds
tuna_fish_tank has 15 seconds left to act
tuna_fish_tank raises to 3,000
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners folds
gutshot04 has 15 seconds left to act
gutshot04 folds
P0KERPR0 calls 3,000
Pechorin folds
CrazyMarco folds
jeffreyjjj folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
tuna_fish_tank checks
P0KERPR0 checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
tuna_fish_tank checks
P0KERPR0 bets 2,440
tuna_fish_tank has 15 seconds left to act
tuna_fish_tank raises to 4,880
P0KERPR0 raises to 7,440, and is all in
tuna_fish_tank calls 2,560
P0KERPR0 shows [ ]
tuna_fish_tank shows [ Ah]
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
P0KERPR0 shows three of a kind, Kings
tuna_fish_tank shows a straight, Ace high
tuna_fish_tank wins the pot (23,380) with a straight, Ace high
CrazyMarco: so sick man
P0KERPR0 stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 23,380 | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: UpTheMariners folded before the Flop
Seat 2: gutshot04 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: P0KERPR0 showed [ ] and lost with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 5: Pechorin (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: CrazyMarco (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: jeffreyjjj (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: davaylave folded before the Flop
Seat 9: tuna_fish_tank showed [ Ah] and won (23,380) with a straight, Ace high

outdrawn and i just think checking looks really fishy. i really cant see anyone bluffing on the turn. maybe if i checked to the river i might get a bet out of him but im asking for trouble.

[NoflopsHomer]

I don't like the slow play at all. You need something to give credit for your bluffs and c-bets. (Unless you're playing a bad player).

[UpTheMariners]

I don't like the slow play at all. You need something to give credit for your bluffs and c-bets. (Unless you're playing a bad player).

 

[Benny Brox]

I suppose it depends how good your opponent is and since you just moved tables you wouldn't know how he's been playing. Like Doyle and other pros say in their books they lead out even when they flop a concealed set in order to try and win a big pot however this is against top professionals. In a lowish buy-in tournament against a possibly poor player (which a limp-call might suggest) and with a rainbow flop I would give him a chance to bet or take a free turn card to catch up. The only hand to be worried about is AA which he most likely won't have or QJ. If he hits the ten then that's just bad luck, you can't fear the possibility of being outdrawn all the time with such a strong hand.

By hitting a set like this you want to win a big pot and I think the way to do it in this scenario is to slowplay the flop 80% of the time. In a different game against a different player leading out may be best.

[action man]

standard c-bet mate, like you did, if he has nothing he wont stack off in a $1k buyin, your best hope is that he makes a move on you on the flop, then you call ;-)

[boldie]

I really don't like slowplaying...I lead out about 90% of the time and hope he comes over the top..that's why you get the chips in the middle in the first place and the only way to do that is to lead out. It's the best way to get paid off when you hit a set.