carzy new rule at grosvenor

[kenjude]

So by having this rule, they prevent the fight.

LOL.  And the goverment, supposedly potecting our interests, wants to put poker for anything other than small stakes exlusively into the hands of these clowns!

[UKPL-Boydy]

The only credible explanation given was that when someone under-raises all in, in teh past it has created massive scraps arguing about when the betting has been re-opened and a 3rd player is allowed to reraise.  So by having this rule, they prevent the fight.

In the old wild west they carried pistols! Let the game be played how it was meant to be Tis a silly rule, considering the point of cash games is to make your opponants poor.

[Karabiner]

It used to be commonplace for under-raises not to be allowed, just the same as table-balancing by moving the lowest stack.

This was certainly the case in the Midlands and North of England up until the last few years.

What we need is an association to standardise the rules...

[thebrasso]

Hi All, I occasionally play the dealers choice/Texas cash games at stoke Grosvenor......And have just returned from playing there tonight...This ruling was obviously a mistake from the cardroom supervisor and not Lord and Master who is the cardroom manager....Tonight at the start of the cash game, players we informed by Matt, the cardroom supervisor that obviously you can under-raise when going all in..i.e if someone before you goes all in for £50 and you have £60, you can of course raise all in for £60 (£50+ your remainder)

Think this was just a misinterpretation of rules, and a storm in a tea cup which is now sorted.

[Lordandmaster]

Hi Everyone,

This rule is not a rule of Grosvenor's nor is it a rule of Stoke's. It was however a mistaken rule of a supervisors. How the supervisor came to this rule is quite honestly beyond me as it makes no sense as the grosvenor rules clearly state that a person can under raise in 3 varied situations, one of those being when moving all-in.

I made sure i took the time to sit down with the cash players tonight to ensure that the ruling was clear to them and to the staff, for future reference, to which they are obviously happy about normality returning to the cash game.

Unfortunately cardrooms are run by human beings and they do make mistakes but by the use of all these wonderful forums we are able to correct mistakes and inform players who may or may not be regulars in our cardrooms that they have indeed been corrected. I would actually like to thank ACE for bringing this rule to my attention seeing as nobody had in-house. It is now resolved and a lesson learnt by the supervisor. It is of course myself that bears the brunt and ridicule for the mistakes of others and not myself but that is what I get paid for in the end.......


Thanks for the comments folks, the constructive ones anyway your Portship...............

[tikay]

Good Post Lord, or is that Good Lord, Post?

Nicely cleared up, I think we all knew the score though.

As it happens, I believe the weird "all-in under-raise" rule still plays at Sheffield. But you know what they are like in Yorkshire, bloody awkward buggers.

[Ironside]

i am intrigued maybe cause its 3am and i have to be up in 3 hours and havent slept in days but when are the otehr 2 ocasions you can underraise apart from when going all in

[tikay]

i am intrigued maybe cause its 3am and i have to be up in 3 hours and havent slept in days but when are the otehr 2 ocasions you can underraise apart from when going all in

Behave, get to bed, & stop selling them luxury cars. You've been rumbled.

[Lordandmaster]

Hi Ironside,

Just for you.

65.   “Under raises” are ONLY permitted :-

i)   If a player is going “all in”
ii)   In “Heads Up” play. (Active from the betting round after the hand becomes heads up)
iii)   In competition play under raises are only permitted when the field is reduced to 2 players (except point one above)

Note: All in under raises do not reactivate the betting for players who have already acted


Now i am going to bed as i too have been up since 6.30 am and i need to be up at 9.30 to go to the casino to remove the league car from the gaming floor!!!

Regards
Rob

[Ironside]

i have never heard of under raises being permissable when heads up
although i can see why when only 2 players are left in the comp there is no point is soft play or chip dumping as your either going to finish first or second
but i cant see the point in allowing in blinds at 50k and 100k with 2 players left and they then start betting 5k and 10k? only thing it will do is keep the casino staff there longer

[ACE2M]

thanks lord

[Lordandmaster]

Ace you are welcome.

[boldie]

Hi Ironside,

Just for you.

65.   “Under raises” are ONLY permitted :-

i)   If a player is going “all in”
ii)   In “Heads Up” play. (Active from the betting round after the hand becomes heads up)
iii)   In competition play under raises are only permitted when the field is reduced to 2 players (except point one above)

Note: All in under raises do not reactivate the betting for players who have already acted


Now i am going to bed as i too have been up since 6.30 am and i need to be up at 9.30 to go to the casino to remove the league car from the gaming floor!!!

Regards
Rob

I'm a bit confused..don't mean to be annoying but my understanding is that any underraise automatically means a player is all-in. Surely any raise should atleast be the BB amount?

[Wardonkey]

Good Post Lord, or is that Good Lord, Post?

Nicely cleared up, I think we all knew the score though.

As it happens, I believe the weird "all-in under-raise" rule still plays at Sheffield. But you know what they are like in Yorkshire, bloody awkward buggers.

It seems to be a Napoleon's thing; perhaps it's the French influence? 

[phatomch]

Yoy may under raise heads up but the bet must still be the same or more as the big blind.