just a standard, can i call, am i ahead, wot do u think??

[AgentChip109]

I moved to new table 5 hands previous so wot decision can i make based on no real info

Full Tilt Poker Game #3220763140: $10,000 Guarantee (24080736), Table 11 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:45:48 ET - 2007/08/11
Seat 1: Antonius11 (3,419)
Seat 2: _ArChEr_Of_Fire (8,195)
Seat 3: Edgy811 (8,070)
Seat 4: ginwilly (4,535)
Seat 5: Sagass77 (3,760)
Seat 6: Ynenk03 (3,870)
Edgy811 posts the small blind of 40
ginwilly posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Edgy811 [ ]
Sagass77 calls 80
Ynenk03 folds
Antonius11 folds
_ArChEr_Of_Fire folds
Edgy811 calls 40
ginwilly checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Edgy811 checks
ginwilly bets 240
Sagass77 calls 240
Edgy811 raises to 1,040
ginwilly raises to 4,455, and is all in
Sagass77 calls 3,440, and is all in

over to you.....

[boldie]

call, one has A9 and the other the FD.

[AlexMartin]

fold, one has the nuts and another has a set. Ur dead here.

[scotty2hatty]

I know you are reasonably deep but I'm folding preflop here.

[UpTheMariners]

I know you are reasonably deep but I'm folding preflop here.

2nd that

[AdamG]

fold pre flop what is the need in getting involved in this sort of hand when your wanting to hit that exact flop, maybe  instead but other than that, this is the flop you were gambling on werent you? if you hit this flop and then decide against going with it, what did u want to flop? house? nut str8? isnt 2 pair good enough for this sort of hand as nobody can put u on it most of the time.

[AgentChip109]

i was sb btw which is why i called. or are u saying i should still fold anyway?

[Longy]

Fold pre flop, this hand has little potential you have to play the whole hand oop. Playing hands out of the blinds deep as most cash players will tell you is often -ev as you have to play the whole hand at a disadvantage, position is key in the no limit.

As played i lead this flop it is quite a wet board and im leading for value as the limpers will call with inferior hands and bulid the pot for us. Once it all kicks off after your check raise and im sure your beat by at least one of them. Expect to see a set and 87 alot here. The check raise has defined your hand as super strong and still no one cares.

[temp0r]

i was sb btw which is why i called. or are u saying i should still fold anyway?

out of position with rags and hardly 'value' ?

[scotty2hatty]

i was sb btw which is why i called. or are u saying i should still fold anyway?

yes. imo.

[boldie]

i was sb btw which is why i called. or are u saying i should still fold anyway?

yes. imo.

anyone who doesn't make the SB up with any 2 potentially live cards in the first levels of an MTT should be shot and killed IMO. You've got the stack to make up the SB and therefore should never fold into an unopened pot.

It's a call preflop every day of the week I think.

You've hit the flop and hit it pretty hard. The BB leads out and is quite clearly not afraid of your reraise you can put him on anything from 56 or 96 to 78 and the nut flush draw. The guy who limping could very well have a big overpair here.(aces not ruled out but he could indeed have hit his set..unlikely..he could even have 78 suited as he limped from UTG.) The only hands you really fear from the BB are the 78 (and why would he reraise all in with that? surely he's not too scared of the flush coming out?) and the 96. The only hand you fear from UTG boy is the same 78..he is the more likely of the 2 two have that as he happily keeps calling the raises.

You're deep enough to fold here..in fact the fold after the action on the fop can be argued quite easily and convincingly. I however think there are only 2 real hands that are beating you (a set and a 78)and only one guy is likely to possibly have that hand (the BB having a 78) however I've seen too many people play the FD from the Bb this way and the other guy limping with aces or kings and getting caught on the flop but unwilling to lay them down.

you could easily fold or stick half your chips in the middle and still have plenty of play left if indeed you are behind..but I'm halfway to certain by now BB is on a FD..the only question is does UTG limp preflop with 78 suited?

[scotty2hatty]

i was sb btw which is why i called. or are u saying i should still fold anyway?

yes. imo.

anyone who doesn't make the SB up with any 2 potentially live cards in the first levels of an MTT should be shot and killed IMO.

Debatable Boldie.  But you did say IMO.

[AgentChip109]

this is quite interesting. i have usually always completed from the sb wiv any 2 when blinds are this small and i have deep stack, but after chatting wiv mariners and reading ur comments, it is something i am going to review.

going back to the hand, there was a little bit of speech play

Edgy811: wow
Edgy811 has 15 seconds left to act
Edgy811: i got 95
Edgy811 has requested TIME
ginwilly: im on a draw, hopoing everyone would fold

what do u think of his comment? u think hes telling the truth or trying to lie to make me think he has set or nuts??
i will say now, that this comment was a factor in me eventually calling

[Jamier-Host]

Sorry, not too familiar with Full Tilt tournos - I assume this is a freezeout and not a rebuy?  Is it Level 3 after starting with 2k chips?

I would have passed preflop as well.  However it is pretty close now you've landed yourself amongst all that action and I think and my move would probably depend on my current mood (hence my massive variance in MTTs  )

A lot of time i'd instacall as they could easily have draws/overpairs etc and I can't get knocked out.  However if I sat and thought about it for a bit (which i'm trying to do more often....) I would probably pass.  It's all too easy to get a bit optimistic about your opponents possible holdings.

[AgentChip109]

Sorry, not too familiar with Full Tilt tournos - I assume this is a freezeout and not a rebuy?  Is it Level 3 after starting with 2k chips?

yeah, freezeout, start wiv 3k in chips, actually at level 5 now. 10min blinds: - 15/30 20/40 25/50 30/60 40/80....