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[Karabiner]

OK do you accept lowball as a valid form of poker ?

Because for people who do it is not a quantum leap to see that padooki is a variation.

Is that better ?

[Karabiner]

BTW I thought Tuesday was cash game at Gala.

Or are you protesting the inclusion of padooki, lowball, hilo et al ?

 

[tikay]

I have never played Lowball. I have never seen it played in a UK Casino, nor in Europe. I can't find it on an online poker (POKER....!) site. So, "I don't know" is the honest answer. I have no interest in Lowball. And the question did not mention Lowball.

Now how about an honest, straight, answer to my question. What has Padooki got to to with Poker?

[tikay]

I "sit out" when they play Padooki Ralph, it's the colluders heaven. Besides, I only play Poker related games......

And they don'y play Lowball.

[Karabiner]

The big cash game at the Vic for the last twenty years (roughly) has been the 1000 round of each.

One round of 4 card omaha, one round of 7 stud lowball (universally referred to as London lowball)l.

Omaha hilo is played on most online sites, I believe triple draw lowball is spread on UB.

Get with it man !!

[Karabiner]

Why would you sit out in a game where you can get a hand for free which could be the absolute nuts ?

[tikay]

Omaha, is that the game with straights, flushes, pairs & sets?

Please try & answer the question DIRECTLY.....

What has - oh strewth, I am just not gettng through here, am I......

[Karabiner]

Do you play hilo Tony ?

[tikay]

Because whilst I COULD get dealt the absolute nuts, chances are I will get A-2-3-3, or A-2-3-K, & keep paying to see "just one more card"....

Meanwhile, the pot-rammers are busy stuffing the pot.

Besides, I go down there on a Tuesday (or used to) to play Poker......

So, one last time - Oh dammit, I give up.

I don't suppose you could actually try just ONE reply that is not a question? Just one tinsy winsy one? For Uncle Tony?

[JonShoreman]

What has Padooki got to do with Poker

Poker is a game played using a standard deck of playing cards. Some versions use the addition of jokers, and others have some cards removed (strip deck.)

In poker you make a combination of cards to form a poker hand. The hand you form is ranked against a predefined set of hands.

In games like Texas Holdem, Omaha and 7 Card Stud players make their best 5 card hand and the hands are ranked high card, pair, two pair etc.

In the game London Lowball players make their best 5 card hand. The ranking of hands is defined A2346 (the best hand) followed by A2356, A2456 etc.

In the game 2-7 Triple draw players make their best 5 card hand. The ranking of hands is 234547 (best hand), 23467, 23567 etc.

In the game padooki players make their best 4 card hand. The ranking of hands is A234 of different suits (best hand) A235, A236 etc.

So, to summarise, the reason why padooki is like poker is it is a game played with a deck of playing cards where players try to make the best hand as defined by the ranking of hands for that particular game.

[tikay]

Thank you Jon, a concise answer at last.

I now understand better the logic.

But fundamentally, my q came fom the concept that I largely stick to tournament poker. And the "predefined set of hands" in poker as I know it are pairs, sets, straights, flushes, etc, none of which apply in Padooki. I believe 2-7 triple draw is still played in the WSOP, but it's a fairly obscure game these days, is it not? Do many/any online sites spread it?

So I CAN see the relationship now, but for me, the "predefined set of hands" that I recognize as poker in it's true sense are the ones we play, by and large, in tourneys.

But thank you for a well constructed answer. Eat your heart out Karabiner.....

[JonShoreman]

I have played tournaments in 2-7 draw, A-5 Draw with a Joker, 7 Card Stud Hi/Lo, Omaha Hi/Lo and Soko none of which use the "predefined set of hands that are used for Holdem.

I believe you can still play in all of these tournaments (maybe with the exception of A-5 Draw with a joker) somewhere around the world at some point each year. Each of these games (with the exception of A-5 Draw with a joker) can be played on at least one online site.

[tikay]

Yes, as I said, "...fairly obscure these days".

And surely, 7 card stud hi-lo, & Omaha Hi-Lo use the traditional predefined hands for the "high"......

But at last I have the answer to my question now. Should have asked you in the first place maybe....

[JonShoreman]

You are right, all of those games are fairly obscure. It used to be the case that Holdem was pretty obscure too.
Originally the game played was 5 card draw. Then there was 5 card stud. This changed to 7 Card Stud, and then we got holdem.
The times, they are always a changing. Who's to say that in the future the most popular game will still be Holdem?

[tikay]

Well I was kinda hoping the pendalum may swing in the direction of Omaha, but, tourney wise, that seems to be going down the pan now. I would play Omaha tourneys in preference to Hold 'Em any day of the week, but, thankfully, we are all different. But maybe it's the Rebuy format that's the problem, as the Frezeouts still seem to get the numbers.

The total entants at the Luton Spring Festival this year were 30% up on last year, when I believe they included 7 card stud. This year's Festival was 100% Hold 'Em, sadly, but it seems to be what the punters want. And, tellingly, the rebuys were poorly attended (85, 74, 64), whereas the Freezeouts attracted almost capacity numbers on the whole.

Fascinating, the way fashions change, eh?