Was this a weak pass?

[UpTheMariners]

Full Tilt Poker Game #3283137052: $25,000 Guarantee (24568353), Table 25 - 40/80 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:47:51 ET - 2007/08/17
Seat 1: TPickles (3,180)
Seat 2: rolos13 (1,580)
Seat 3: number1luckyone (1,250)
Seat 4: cappla011 (3,120)
Seat 5: Lawyerlady (8,380)
Seat 6: tomek322 (2,400)
Seat 7: Dr_Gammon (1,310)
Seat 8: UpTheMariners (5,780)
Seat 9: GMoney2001 (4,755)
tomek322 posts the small blind of 40
Dr_Gammon posts the big blind of 80
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to UpTheMariners [ ]
UpTheMariners calls 80
GMoney2001 has 15 seconds left to act
GMoney2001 calls 80
TPickles folds
rolos13 folds
number1luckyone folds
cappla011 folds
Lawyerlady calls 80
tomek322 calls 40
Dr_Gammon checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
tomek322 checks
Dr_Gammon checks
UpTheMariners bets 240
GMoney2001 raises to 480
Lawyerlady folds
tomek322 folds
Dr_Gammon folds
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners raises to 1,040
GMoney2001 raises to 4,675, and is all in
UpTheMariners: set?
UpTheMariners has 15 seconds left to act
UpTheMariners: aj
UpTheMariners has requested TIME
tomek322: flush draw
UpTheMariners: lol
UpTheMariners folds
Uncalled bet of 3,635 returned to GMoney2001
GMoney2001 mucks
GMoney2001 wins the pot (2,480)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,480 | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: TPickles didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: rolos13 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: number1luckyone didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: cappla011 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Lawyerlady (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: tomek322 (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: Dr_Gammon (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 8: UpTheMariners folded on the Flop
Seat 9: GMoney2001 collected (2,480), mucked

[temp0r]

he takes ages to call preflop then makes a donk raise on that flop? this is one of those ones where i'm too confused to do anything but fold then bang my head against the wall when a couple of hands later i realise the players a complete fish.
then again a complete fish may play AA this way.

more to the point without a read i'm passing normally.

[AlexMartin]

nice fold, ur beat.

[UpTheMariners]

i opr'd him and now i know he's a fish

[pswnio]

Have to let this go...

[NoflopsHomer]

People do this with Jx all the time though I've found.

It's opponent dependent.

[MANTIS01]

In a word....No!

You didn't bring it in for a raise and as such you will often find one pair is no good. When you limp pre-flop I think it is a good idea to raise your expectations above one pair if you face serious heat post-flop....and on this occasion there is a lot of heat.

If you raise pre-flop it is a much more difficult decision to make....but again the action suggests one pair is struggling. A set of fours fits the action more aptly than K-J or worse imo.

[AlexMartin]

Played perfectly imo, well done.

[Senior Flushsky]

Played perfectly imo, well done.

I wouldnt say perfectly. He got out when he was behind but i'm not a fan of limping UTG with AJo. Either come in for a raise or put it in the muck. Personally i muck this OOP at this stage of a tourney. Its tough to know if TPTK is ahead but along with AA, its a hand that i never go broke with in an unraised pot.

Its possible he has KJ but unless i had a read that he was a complete donk and KJ was possible here, i'd fold

[boldie]

Played perfectly imo, well done.

I wouldnt say perfectly. He got out when he was behind but i'm not a fan of limping UTG with AJo. Either come in for a raise or put it in the muck. Personally i muck this OOP at this stage of a tourney. Its tough to know if TPTK is ahead but along with AA, its a hand that i never go broke with in an unraised pot.

Its possible he has KJ but unless i had a read that he was a complete donk and KJ was possible here, i'd fold

I don't like the raise with AJ from early position so I ussually limp with it aswell. Raising with a hand like AJ/A10 is a sure fire way of losing a lot of chips as AJ doesn't "play well" (as they say) against AK/AQ

[Senior Flushsky]

I don't like the raise with AJ from early position so I ussually limp with it aswell. Raising with a hand like AJ/A10 is a sure fire way of losing a lot of chips as AJ doesn't "play well" (as they say) against AK/AQ

Hence the reason why i usually fold OOP. If i was to raise with this hand and the flop came A or J high and i found resistance with my flop bet, i'd know where i stand a lot quicker than if i had just limped with it. In the OP, i reckon i would have just called his raise on the flop and re-evaluate the turn

[AlexMartin]

Played perfectly imo, well done.

I wouldnt say perfectly. He got out when he was behind but i'm not a fan of limping UTG with AJo. Either come in for a raise or put it in the muck. Personally i muck this OOP at this stage of a tourney. Its tough to know if TPTK is ahead but along with AA, its a hand that i never go broke with in an unraised pot.

Its possible he has KJ but unless i had a read that he was a complete donk and KJ was possible here, i'd fold

I don't like the raise with AJ from early position so I ussually limp with it aswell. Raising with a hand like AJ/A10 is a sure fire way of losing a lot of chips as AJ doesn't "play well" (as they say) against AK/AQ

MUCH rather raise with it than limp with it. And i dont mind the raise, as long as you are solid postflop your initiative makes up for the weakness of the hand.

[tantrum]

Whether you rise or limp from any position depends on table dynamics, and your holding is irrelevant.

I would think it is better to raise from E.P then limp, as it helps to define your hand better and limit the number of players you have in a pot with you.

[AlexMartin]

Whether you rise or limp from any position depends on table dynamics, and your holding is irrelevant.

I would think it is better to raise from E.P then limp, as it helps to define your hand better and limit the number of players you have in a pot with you.

I disagree. Limping is just plain rubbish always.

[NoflopsHomer]

Pass preflop.

1) Someone raises, what do you do?

2) What sort of flop are you comfortable with here post-flop, OOP in a multiway pot?