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« Reply #30 on: August 27, 2007, 11:09:57 AM »

Every on-line poker site should have an insurance agent...like taking insurance in Blackjack. As a player you can choose to pay a subsidy and if your A-A gets cracked by K-K at a crucial moment or you are runner-runnered after outplaying your opponent you get the appropriate compensation. The insurance agent will always make money because of the unlikliness of this scenario becoming a reality...this will certainly lessen the frustration of continuous bad beats.

This is clearly impractical in a tournament


why? i see this done live in important hands in comps, usualy by people that know eachother but the principle works

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« Reply #31 on: August 27, 2007, 11:26:09 AM »

Andrew T gets this spot on as ever. Andrew for Mod!

Seriously, whenever someone tells me they are "running bad" i chuckle inside. The simple fact is online is far tougher and vastly different from live play.
When i start losing online, i know its not because im running bad, its because im making too many mistakes.

 We all joke about how online poker is rigged but the chances of most part-time (cash) players beating the game are remote. Compare the comparative chances of a guy 10 tabling 2/4 for aliving, who has done his homework and maintains his focus on the game, to a chap who has finished work on a friday, decides to load a table when tired and play some poker. He's dead at hello.

When you start getting into the world of MTT's then you really start throwing the dice.

Embrace the luck, think lifetime earnings rather than session spinups.
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« Reply #32 on: August 27, 2007, 12:43:30 PM »

All this talk about bad players not realizing they suck is making me paranoid...
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« Reply #33 on: August 27, 2007, 01:01:34 PM »



 We all joke about how online poker is rigged but the chances of most part-time (cash) players beating the game are remote. Compare the comparative chances of a guy 10 tabling 2/4 for aliving, who has done his homework and maintains his focus on the game, to a chap who has finished work on a friday, decides to load a table when tired and play some poker. He's dead at hello.



This can apply to any of the discipline in life.  The difference is, that the variance enables occassional players to get an illusion of their 'skills' and keeps them within the game.  Honestly the percantage of great vs good vs mediocre vs bad is similarly distributed among the poker players as in sport/musicic/art/bussiness;

Those who think otherwise, delude themselves. 

As to the part-time players - I know few who play decent money, but they treat poker as a hobby - and not a way to become rich.

Poker for many is an equivalent of a gold rush- and as the history has shown - many tried, many went broke - few got rich...


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« Reply #34 on: August 27, 2007, 05:54:22 PM »

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As an example, I spoke with one pro, just prior to the WSOP; about a particular site and how he could NOT beat it. If I tell you what this player did during the WSOP, it may give it away and I‘m not sure if he would want me to mention it. Suffice to say, that he had a great WSOP. The point is, I know many good pro‘s that struggle to beat online. But irrespective of the reasons why some players cannot win online, its seem clear that online poker cannot help but increase player‘s frustrations. The thing is though, all we can do is simply accept it because……THAT”S POKER!
 

Whenever I hear this, I think of the flight of the bumble bee.

Specifically, the popular myth that it is aerodynamically impossible for it to fly, and that the laws of physics say something with a body so large in proportion to it's tiny wings cannot stay in the air.

It was supposedly begun by some dodgy math, scribbled on the back of a napkin at a cocktail party. It was such a popular idea though, nature defying science etc, that it was quickly accepted as fact, even by some of the world's prominent academics.

Now if anyone was in any doubt, they should probably look at the empirical evidence. If they see a bumblebee, and if that bumblebee is buzzing through the air from flower to flower without buying an Easyjet ticket or anything like that, chances are that it is probably possible for a bumble bee to fly after all.

Similarly, if you look at the empirical evidence in online poker, and all the wizz-kids amassing the megabucks. Year on year the same people doing very well and clicking home the bacon. Chances are that it is probably possible to overcome the luck factor and crush the online game.

Now meaning no disrespect to the talented (more talented than I'll ever be) players who are having difficulty winning at internet poker, but if they aren't beating it, and others are, one could reasonably summise that they aren't doing it properly.

I'm not going to list the dozens and dozens of differences between the live game and poker on the computer, we all know it's a completely different kettle of fish. It could be no coincidence that the best online players today are the youngsters who do not have decades of experience playing in casinos. Perhaps said experience can actually make it more difficult to get to grips with internet poker and start raking in the bucks month in, month out.

So I'd tell any kick ass poker player who is having difficulty winning online to try to forget everything they know about poker, watch Rocky 3 or something.
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« Reply #35 on: August 27, 2007, 06:38:08 PM »

Can I just say that there is a massive massive difference between cash and tournament poker. If you take a big hit in cash and you are a good player you can always turn things around. If you get hit by a one-outer in a tournament it's over.

Yes it's true that your chances of success in tournaments are thin anyway but if you go through spells where your skill gets you into a winning position and then luck does for you time and time again there is nothing you can do to turn that around.....

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When i start losing online, i know its not because im running bad, its because im making too many mistakes.

....So in a tournament sense getting your money in with pair over pair is not a mistake. But if that underpair draws out on you it is the end of the road. Now if that happens say 10 times on the spin...then that's running bad...no ifs no buts. You can never walk away when you're up playing tournament poker. Beating the tournament game with skill means getting your money in when dominting your opponent...what happens after that is completely out of your control. The cash game often goes right through the streets whereas a lot of tournament poker action occurs pre-flop or on the flop...and this means you are far more vulnerable to the lucky out-draw.
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« Reply #36 on: August 27, 2007, 07:53:28 PM »

In whole honesty how many times we are beaten when favourite 90%? 

One in Ten?     



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« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2007, 08:41:40 PM »

What a great thread.  to all the contributors.
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« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2007, 09:22:02 PM »

Apologies if someone has already made this comment but......

The luck factor in poker is vital because without it, bad players would never triumph. They would either get better or stop playing, neither of which is desirable. It sucks big time when some idiot calls you down with king high and beats you with a hand he doesn't even realise he has made, but if that keeps them playing then you will turn a profit long term. I'd rather be outdrawn than outplayed.

To quote a mate of mines book "Bad beats are the good poker players best friend".
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