AA & KK in cash games

[deputydawg]

Not a specific hand but here goes:

I am on a terrible run over last few days losing over 20% of a five figure bankroll at $2/4 cash with one 10 hand period of losing 3 set over set confrontations with full stacks (having reloaded each time). Anyway, I don't really use PO or PT to track my play but have started to believe AA and KK may be loss making hands for me as I find I can easily lose a full stack with them against sets, when making sizeable pre flop raises c.5xBB or even reraising to 3-4 x original raise in raised pots.

My questions are:

1. In the above situation should I be finding it easier to lay then down after betting out on flop and being called or reraised, and if called betting turn and still meeting resistance?

2. Should I make even bigger pre flop raises to take pot down there and then, only getting likely action from premium hands?

3. Is it better to limp and only continue if you hit the set, flush draw etc like other pp's?

I appreciate that there are many different situations etc. but what do other people do in 9/10 handed ring games. 6 handed I guess are different as a lot less chance of someone hitting a set

[M3boy]

AA/KK can kill you if you get married to them.

Its only one pair after the flop/turn so play it accordingly.

[byronkincaid]

I'm in a bad mood I'm sorry but....

are you saying that you're playing 2/4 with a less than 6K roll. that's too short.

you should know this sort of stuff if you are playing 2/4 perhaps you should move down to 1/2, buy poker tracker/PAHUD and after a few hundred K hands see that AA and KK are your most profitable hands.

100 BB stacks are awkward for TPTK and overpairs. if you have PT and PAHUD you can start to analyse which opponents are set mining nits and which stack off with less than AA. Also you can look up your toughest opponents and see exactly how they play AA.

[deputydawg]

I'm in a bad mood I'm sorry but....

are you saying that you're playing 2/4 with a less than 6K roll. that's too short.

you should know this sort of stuff if you are playing 2/4 perhaps you should move down to 1/2, buy poker tracker/PAHUD and after a few hundred K hands see that AA and KK are your most profitable hands.

100 BB stacks are awkward for TPTK and overpairs. if you have PT and PAHUD you can start to analyse which opponents are set mining nits and which stack off with less than AA. Also you can look up your toughest opponents and see exactly how they play AA.

Five figure bankroll = well over $10K

I have poker office but don't really like it

My post was to see different ways people play AA/KK, not get advice on PO/PT and bankroll management, but ty anyway

[byronkincaid]

never was very good at maths, i thought 3 * full stacks was 400 * 3 but you obv had a bigger stack at some point.




do not post when in bad mood [/reminder to self]

[deputydawg]

the 3 full stacks was just bemoaning my run of bad luck at one point, whereas the AA/KK thing is more a leak/potential leak in my game as opposed to bad luck with the set over set 'nightmare'

[AlexMartin]

Learn to play AA/KK defensively postflop ESPECIALLY in multiway pots.

eg. You are playing fullstack 2/4 and you make it $24 to go with AA after 2 limper in late position. You end up with 2 callers. Flop comes 7 9 10 with 2 spades. 1st player bets 1/2 pot and second player calls. Easy AA fold imo.

eg 2. 6-handed deepstack (you both have 600) 2/4 button makes it $16 to go, you make it $54 from BB with KK, he calls. Flop comes 678. Action on you. You should CHECK here to keep the pot small oop. You now get to read into whether he wants to play a small or bog pot. Giving free cards with AA/KK after re-raising preflop is not the end of the world, it saves you money long term.

I know its nitty, but i actually find reasons to dump AA/KK without a set rather than reasons to play.

[deepreacher]

Not a specific hand but here goes:

I am on a terrible run over last few days losing over 20% of a five figure bankroll at $2/4 cash with one 10 hand period of losing 3 set over set confrontations with full stacks (having reloaded each time). Anyway, I don't really use PO or PT to track my play but have started to believe AA and KK may be loss making hands for me as I find I can easily lose a full stack with them against sets, when making sizeable pre flop raises c.5xBB or even reraising to 3-4 x original raise in raised pots.

My questions are:

1. In the above situation should I be finding it easier to lay then down after betting out on flop and being called or reraised, and if called betting turn and still meeting resistance?

2. Should I make even bigger pre flop raises to take pot down there and then, only getting likely action from premium hands?

3. Is it better to limp and only continue if you hit the set, flush draw etc like other pp's?

I appreciate that there are many different situations etc. but what do other people do in 9/10 handed ring games. 6 handed I guess are different as a lot less chance of someone hitting a set

this is why 9/10 handed cash sucks imo

[deepreacher]

Learn to play AA/KK defensively postflop ESPECIALLY in multiway pots.

eg 2. 6-handed deepstack (you both have 600) 2/4 button makes it $16 to go, you make it $54 from BB with KK, he calls. Flop comes 678. Action on you. You should CHECK here to keep the pot small oop. You now get to read into whether he wants to play a small or bog pot. Giving free cards with AA/KK after re-raising preflop is not the end of the world, it saves you money long term.

I know its nitty, but i actually find reasons to dump AA/KK without a set rather than reasons to play.

I disagree here. You are giving a free card on a dangerous co-ordinated board. If button bets, do you check raise, call or fold? If u call you have no idea where you are.

If I reraise in the blinds v button raise i am betting most flops a reasonably high % of the time.

[kinboshi]

You play at a higher level than me, so you probably don't need my advice, but you're getting it anyway .

You should definitely use Poker Tracker and PA HUD.  Otherwise, you're putting yourself at an immediate disadvantage to your opponents.

[deputydawg]

You play at a higher level than me, so you probably don't need my advice, but you're getting it anyway .

You should definitely use Poker Tracker and PA HUD.  Otherwise, you're putting yourself at an immediate disadvantage to your opponents.

As it happens I've fired up poker office today and am going to start using it again but unfortunately it doesn't support mansion, or vice versa, where I play most of my cash

[TightEnd]

You play at a higher level than me, so you probably don't need my advice, but you're getting it anyway .

You should definitely use Poker Tracker and PA HUD.  Otherwise, you're putting yourself at an immediate disadvantage to your opponents.

As it happens I've fired up poker office today and am going to start using it again but unfortunately it doesn't support mansion, or vice versa, where I play most of my cash

cough

try your friendly neighbourhood site

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[deputydawg]

You play at a higher level than me, so you probably don't need my advice, but you're getting it anyway .

You should definitely use Poker Tracker and PA HUD.  Otherwise, you're putting yourself at an immediate disadvantage to your opponents.

As it happens I've fired up poker office today and am going to start using it again but unfortunately it doesn't support mansion, or vice versa, where I play most of my cash

cough

try your friendly neighbourhood site

cough

I play there as well but suffered a few recent losses and ain't got too many sponds in there now as I have been waiting for my 'loyalty bonus' though not sure how that works - lol

[TightEnd]

you mean LOYALTY BONUS

It will be with you very shortly for August!

[AlexMartin]

Learn to play AA/KK defensively postflop ESPECIALLY in multiway pots.

eg 2. 6-handed deepstack (you both have 600) 2/4 button makes it $16 to go, you make it $54 from BB with KK, he calls. Flop comes 678. Action on you. You should CHECK here to keep the pot small oop. You now get to read into whether he wants to play a small or bog pot. Giving free cards with AA/KK after re-raising preflop is not the end of the world, it saves you money long term.

I know its nitty, but i actually find reasons to dump AA/KK without a set rather than reasons to play.

I disagree here. You are giving a free card on a dangerous co-ordinated board. If button bets, do you check raise, call or fold? If u call you have no idea where you are.

If I reraise in the blinds v button raise i am betting most flops a reasonably high % of the time.

Problem is at these stakes you have let your opponent know your hand effectively unless you 3-bet light and are almost always drawing thin/dead if the pot gets big.
Dump em oop to resistance.