the re-raise

[UpTheMariners]

forget your reraise discussion im ALL IN

[kinboshi]

Re-re-raise, when the crowd say bo selecta!

[MANTIS01]

Is having sex twice in one night a re-raise?

[kinboshi]

Is having sex twice in one night a re-raise?

You've lost us there.  Twice in a night? 

[AlexMartin]

I got in trouble in a Luton comp once for saying bet and not raise as the preflop opener. I tried to explain but was met with so much resistance i shutup. True story.

[AndrewT]

I got in trouble in a Luton comp once for saying bet and not raise as the preflop opener. I tried to explain but was met with so much resistance i shutup. True story.

But pre-flop, hasn't the opening bet already been made (by the big blind), so you can either call this bet or raise it. The action has already been opened, so you can't bet.

[MANTIS01]

I despise such nonsense and feel it is my duty to have fun with it.

At Star City in Birmingham you MUST state your INTENTION before you act. If you do not do this your actions are invalid.

I found this out when I pushed all-in over the top of a raise and the dealer pushed my chips back and told me I could now only call. I got the TD and had a fun time arguing the point. The rule is that unless you STATE your action your INTENTION is unclear. "Of course" I say, "pushing your stack across the bet line in unclear."

So for the rest of the tournament every time I wanted to just call a raise I silently pushed all-in. This turned into a call but the rest of the table thought my INTENTION was to push and therefore got out of the way and allowed me to go HU with the original raiser. But going all-in was not my INTENTION so that rule was exposed as complete piffle. And I don't play there because of it.

NB: Pre-flop the first action is indeed a raise because of the forced bb bet...but post-flop the first action is a bet

[doubleup]

I despise such nonsense and feel it is my duty to have fun with it.

At Star City in Birmingham you MUST state your INTENTION before you act. If you do not do this your actions are invalid.

I just cannot understand how this simple action causes so much idiocy, confusion and potential angle shooting.  Why can't everywhere in the world agree that in pl or nl games you make up your bet behind the line and put in the chips  and thats it.   

[MANTIS01]

Agreed. I think e.g. for a tournament to enforce the entrants to use speech, something that is affected by emotion, is a poor show. Surely concealment of information is the right of the player? A bet pushed over the bet line in one fluid motion is a bet and that's about as simple as it gets.

So you've got to state your INTENTION? What about those players who weren't really paying attention, missed a raise coming in, and said CALL thinking they were just limping? Why were they not enforced to call the raise? They stated their intention! But the TD argued that this was not their intention. I argued that the rule is STATE YOUR INTENTION...so why can people state their intention to avoid ambiguity and not really mean it?

There is so much inconsistency in poker!

[AlexMartin]

I got in trouble in a Luton comp once for saying bet and not raise as the preflop opener. I tried to explain but was met with so much resistance i shutup. True story.

But pre-flop, hasn't the opening bet already been made (by the big blind), so you can either call this bet or raise it. The action has already been opened, so you can't bet.

Aha i see, no-one at the table actually gave me any explantation whatsoever. Cheers andrew.