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« on: October 11, 2007, 11:03:08 PM »

Hi people,

in cash games, there is some kind of hands that I have a special kind to play, and I don't no if I'm right in my mind :

you have a flop like  and you have something like  two hearts in your hands.

so you have a straight draw with a flush draw.

so against all no-2-hearts hands you have 14-15 outs so you are favorite around 50-55% even if you opponent has a big pocket, or a set. or top pair with a big kicker.

On these hands, when I feel that my oppenent is ok to put money in the pot, I llike going all in because of the odds.

Am I right or am I acting like a fish doing that ?
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2007, 11:07:33 PM »

You're never going to be that much of a dog if you go all-in.  Of course, the bigger flush takes away a lot of your outs, but you still have quite a few.

If you have the open-ended straight flush draw, then you're in even better shape.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2007, 11:17:13 PM »

You're never going to be that much of a dog if you go all-in.

Sorry, I'm french, and I don't understand at all what does mean this sentence.

Can you explain it please ?

another thing I did'nt say. usually, there is some money in the pot on the flop, so the pot odds in your favor growth including that fact, isn't it ?
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2007, 11:22:08 PM »

You're not going to be that much of an underdog.

Against a set, you'll be a slight underdog (a slight favourite to lose), against two pair I think you'll be a slight favourite to win.


dog = underdog
When two hands face off, the underdog is the one that's less likely to win than the other.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2007, 11:29:21 PM »

i like big reraises / all ins with open ended straight flush draws & 2 overs, did it today against my mate and he folds top pair , but im favourite to win anyway!

im holding : 
  flop

i lead he raise, i shove...he waits and folds.

2 overs, 6 outs
9 spades, 15outs
8 or K (not spade) 6, 21outs.... 2 cards to come.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2007, 11:33:31 PM »

so going all in with a straight draw and a flush draw is not similar to going with a straight flush draw Huh?

or , like in your exemple, it's because you have 2 over cards in addition with your draw?
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2007, 11:34:39 PM »

It makes a subtle difference, but in your example you are still in a strong position.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2007, 12:54:27 AM »

so going all in with a straight draw and a flush draw is not similar to going with a straight flush draw Huh?

or , like in your exemple, it's because you have 2 over cards in addition with your draw?

the 2 overcards give u 6 extra outs ( if he has any pair from flop - long as his kicker aint 1 of ur cards )
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