Can something be done?

[snoopy1239]

I was making my debut at a club the other week, I won't mention the name, when one player hit the nut flush, but only smooth called the river when his neighbour bet out. I believe his neighbour had a pretty decent hand and would have called all-in for the remainder of his chips if re-raised, but obviously he wasn't and therefore remained in the game. Before the guy called with his flush (on a non-paired board), he said something like, "I'm going to have to call this time."

Is this 'same village' crap acceptable in a low level comp and is there any action that can be taken?

[Wardonkey]

Don't go back.

Tell the club why.

[ACE2M]

i've given up complaining, they don't stop whatever you do.

[MANTIS01]

I don't have a problem with this sort of thing. It's like cheating in exams...you only really cheat yourself. In bigger badder comps you aren't going to have your buddies around to lean on for some easy chips so you will be lost at that standard. Low level sums it up...both in terms of buy-in and mentality, so just let their antics amuse you...safe in the knowledge you have bigger GUKPT fish to fry:)

[masterjackblack]

Have you ever seen a correct penalty dished out for soft play in England? In most places staff are too afraid of upsetting regulars and will either not know what to do or turn a blind eye. In a proper tourney its a sit out penalty of 1-4 rounds of play. In order to give such a penalty the staff need to have good knowledge with a proper set of extensive rules in place. In an ideal world the stakes wether a $5 re-buy or $1000 freeze shouldn't matter. I would however in the real world give a bit of leeway in a complete donkament if I was sure the player was not aware they were checking the nuts.

[tikay]

Have you ever seen a correct penalty dished out for soft play in England? In most places staff are too afraid of upsetting regulars and will either not know what to do or turn a blind eye. In a proper tourney its a sit out penalty of 1-4 rounds of play. In order to give such a penalty the staff need to have good knowledge with a proper set of extensive rules in place. In an ideal world the stakes wether a $5 re-buy or $1000 freeze shouldn't matter. I would however in the real world give a bit of leeway in a complete donkament if I was sure the player was not aware they were checking the nuts.

Post of the Week.

So long as we all turn a blind eye to such cheating, it'll continue. I've only ever seen one TD in the UK penalise such action - Yogi, (now of DTD) in his Blaclpool days. In some Venues, such cheating is deemed as acceptable, & it goes on all the time. I caught a geezer doing it, & addressed him as "Mr Cheat" for the next 6 months, openly & publically. He rarely sends me a Christmas Card these days, dammit. His excuse was "well, lots of players do it". That's all right then.

Shoot 'em.

My view would be to refuse to support Venues who condone, by their inaction, such practices.

[booder]

Shoot 'em.

 

[action man]

imo this has become something you have to learn to except. I have heard stories galore about cardrooms being run by players as opposed to managers. This is not right but until some management grow some balls and ban this behaviour it will go on and on. My advice is if u want to play a small tourney play one online. LEave the live fish for the bigger games.

[boldie]

I don't have a problem with this sort of thing. It's like cheating in exams...you only really cheat yourself. In bigger badder comps you aren't going to have your buddies around to lean on for some easy chips so you will be lost at that standard. Low level sums it up...both in terms of buy-in and mentality, so just let their antics amuse you...safe in the knowledge you have bigger GUKPT fish to fry:)

yeah that might be true if indeed you play the big events..(and even then it is complete and other bollox)  most players don't have the dosh to play in those events and will find it tougher to make money because of collusion..it's ALWAYS unacceptable, simple as that.

[snoopy1239]

Have you ever seen a correct penalty dished out for soft play in England? In most places staff are too afraid of upsetting regulars and will either not know what to do or turn a blind eye. In a proper tourney its a sit out penalty of 1-4 rounds of play. In order to give such a penalty the staff need to have good knowledge with a proper set of extensive rules in place. In an ideal world the stakes wether a $5 re-buy or $1000 freeze shouldn't matter. I would however in the real world give a bit of leeway in a complete donkament if I was sure the player was not aware they were checking the nuts.

Post of the Week.

So long as we all turn a blind eye to such cheating, it'll continue. I've only ever seen one TD in the UK penalise such action - Yogi, (now of dtd) in his Blaclpool days. In some Venues, such cheating is deemed as acceptable, & it goes on all the time. I caught a geezer doing it, & addressed him as "Mr Cheat" for the next 6 months, openly & publically. He rarely sends me a Christmas Card these days, dammit. His excuse was "well, lots of players do it". That's all right then.

Shoot 'em.

My view would be to refuse to support Venues who condone, by their inaction, such practices.

Same village play is way too prevelant for my liking and was a big part of Gala Notts when I first started playing. At that time, the majority of players didn't see anything wrong. The problem is, however, is that they never will until the Tournament Director's start enforcing the rule, whatever the level of buy-in. Why should someone be subjected to such cheating and blatant collusion just because they're not a high stake circuit player?

[jizzemm]

yeah that might be true if indeed you play the big events..(and even then it is complete and other bollox)  most players don't have the dosh to play in those events and will find it tougher to make money because of collusion..it's ALWAYS unacceptable, simple as that.
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[MANTIS01]

A number of established players have, on occasion, kicked me under the table whilst playing in my local casinos to signify a strong hand. I really don't like this when it happens because my preference is for fair, tough play. But it has, does, and will continue to happen because it is very difficult to prevent. I ALWAYS play as hard and fast as I can...even against these guys...and then they get the message. I don't want any favours at the table. But if you get two willing participants in this equation then it is almost impossible to stamp out...rules or no rules. It is all to do with the ethics of the individual player.

[tikay]

A number of established players have, on occasion, kicked me under the table whilst playing in my local casinos to signify a strong hand. I really don't like this when it happens because my preference is for fair, tough play. But it has, does, and will continue to happen because it is very difficult to prevent. I ALWAYS play as hard and fast as I can...even against these guys...and then they get the message. I don't want any favours at the table. But if you get two willing participants in this equation then it is almost impossible to stamp out...rules or no rules. It is all to do with the ethics of the individual player.

Well it comes as no surprise that you've had several kicks under the table - I regret to say that Walsall is one of the venues where this trait of soft-playingis & collusion is most common. Spme years ago, Gala Notts was the UK Headquarters of such practice, but I've not been there for ome time, so it'd be improper & quite possibly wrong to suggest it's still the case, & I make no suggestion that it is.

[dazzaster]

This truly is unacceptable at any level. and the Mr Cheat tag should be handed out everytime.
But I find most people very polite and don't want to cause an arguement or worse be confronted by aggressive behaviour so let it go by.
Some how TD's have to be told across the board that this is simply CHEATING and should not be tolorated.
How? I don't know

[boldie]

This truly is unacceptable at any level. and the Mr Cheat tag should be handed out everytime.
But I find most people very polite and don't want to cause an arguement or worse be confronted by aggressive behaviour so let it go by.
Some how TD's have to be told across the board that this is simply CHEATING and should not be tolorated.
How? I don't know

because TD's want to be mates with the regular players and think that they can't stand up to them because of them.