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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2007, 04:00:51 AM » |
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I think you've just been mugged..
All it will take is just one of those 10 to win an event and you're farked.
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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2007, 10:11:54 AM » |
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I think you've just been mugged..
All it will take is just one of those 10 to win an event and you're farked.
Maybe, but I made a statement asserting a particular point of view and so have to put my money where my mouth is. |
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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2007, 07:57:14 PM » |
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Camel, I think you are missing the point of the thread, the buyins are too high for most players. You could be good enough to get in money 20% of the time and it would not be statistically remarkable to go 20 tourneys without getting a payout. This means that regular players of these events are either hugely bankrolled, backed in some way or mostly heading for busto land.
I agree with almost everything you say.. I do think the buyins are too high. 5000 euro for the regular events and 10k for the Monte Carlo finale was just right IMO. But I was just disagreeing with Andrew's assertion that EPT's were -ev for everyone. £250 is fine. Sounds like we've got a bet. My team of 10: Praz BansiJohnny LoddenJulian ThewWilliam Thorson Ram VaswaniStuart FoxRoland De WolfeJan SjavikJulian GardnerLuca PaganoJust to confirm we add the sum total of all the buyins these players actually play (not including the juice because I included that in the expenses calculation) and then add the total amount of money cashed by these players in next years EPT's. If the latter figure is 40% more or higher than the first figure I win. If it isn't you win. Deal? I'm afraid it hasn't been a great start for your boys here in Dublin, Camel. |
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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2007, 01:20:54 AM » |
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Hold on a minute Keith.... Where did you get your figures from. £200 for a week of drinks and food.... No wonder your not on the list...At least you put Stuart in to even it up. Your list is also interesting in so far as it contains a number of win or bust players. A good idea in my opinion. The real killer is the grinders who just make the money. Overall they have to go bust in my opinion.
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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2007, 01:35:27 AM » |
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Hold on a minute Keith.... Where did you get your figures from. £200 for a week of drinks and food.... No wonder your not on the list...At least you put Stuart in to even it up. Your list is also interesting in so far as it contains a number of win or bust players. A good idea in my opinion. The real killer is the grinders who just make the money. Overall they have to go bust in my opinion.
Win or bust is the way to win at tournament poker IMO Denis (that's why I always oppose flattening of payout structures)... you are better off with one first place than 5 7th's. And that's how it should be I reckon... and that's why I play like a maniac  ... there is some method in my madness... And snoopy... the bet start's with the first event of the next season (I assume Barca 2008).. so I don't give a monkey's who wins this event  |
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« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2007, 01:40:09 AM » |
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I don't give a monkey's who wins this event Next year you will give a monkey's to win a Sampras. |
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AndrewT
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« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2007, 10:20:27 AM » |
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And snoopy... the bet start's with the first event of the next season (I assume Barca 2008).. so I don't give a monkey's who wins this event I was going on the basis it started with this one in Dublin and ran through to the end of this season in Monte Carlo in April. Why would I make a bet now that doesn't start for a year? |
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« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2007, 10:23:57 AM » |
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And snoopy... the bet start's with the first event of the next season (I assume Barca 2008).. so I don't give a monkey's who wins this event I was going on the basis it started with this one in Dublin and ran through to the end of this season in Monte Carlo in April. Why would I make a bet now that doesn't start for a year? I feel a prop bet for season 5 coming up.. I pick 10 players over the course of the whole of the EPT season |
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« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2007, 12:09:33 PM » |
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And snoopy... the bet start's with the first event of the next season (I assume Barca 2008).. so I don't give a monkey's who wins this event I was going on the basis it started with this one in Dublin and ran through to the end of this season in Monte Carlo in April. Why would I make a bet now that doesn't start for a year? I feel a prop bet for season 5 coming up.. I pick 10 players over the course of the whole of the EPT season Er, I didn't see that bit - I just assumed we were talking about this season. |
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« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2007, 01:15:57 PM » |
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And snoopy... the bet start's with the first event of the next season (I assume Barca 2008).. so I don't give a monkey's who wins this event I was going on the basis it started with this one in Dublin and ran through to the end of this season in Monte Carlo in April. Why would I make a bet now that doesn't start for a year? I feel a prop bet for season 5 coming up.. I pick 10 players over the course of the whole of the EPT season Er, I didn't see that bit - I just assumed we were talking about this season. Sorry I didn't make it clearer.. I wanted to have a full EPT season to cut down on variance obviously. The way I see it there is 3 options: 1. Have the bet starting at this tournament in Dublin for the rest of season 4 2. Have the bet starting at the next tournament at Prague for the rest of season 4 3. Have the bet for the whole of season 5. I'm happy to let an independent arbitor (maybe Tikay, Robert HM or IrishDenis if any of them has 2 minutes) to read through the thread and decide which option is most appropriate. Or if you agree to option 2 as a comprimise we can save all the hassle as it seems the fairest to me.. Let me know. |
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« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2007, 01:24:00 PM » |
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Yeah - start it at Prague. You might want to go double or quits when we get to season 5 anyway  |
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« Reply #41 on: November 02, 2007, 02:51:53 PM » |
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Jon Duthie has replied to this EPT buy-in dilemma on THM.
Acknowledging Dublin has seen very dissappointing numbers, he says Prague advance numbers are more encouraging. He makes the point that he's certainly willing to listen to what the majority of players want, so I guess the increased buy-in is not set in stone for next season.
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« Reply #42 on: November 02, 2007, 03:57:22 PM » |
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It's now way beyond the reach of most of us, and it's really a vehicle for 'Stars Qualifiers & Sponsored Pros, but as long as it pretty much sells out at most venues, John Duthie ain't likely to lower the Buy-In. Sad, but true, it's just business. raketastically correct. |
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« Reply #43 on: November 03, 2007, 05:21:35 PM » |
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why is dublin not being televised?
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« Reply #44 on: November 03, 2007, 09:01:48 PM » |
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why is dublin not being televised?
Because the television budget can't cater for the extended schedule and so the odd EPT has to be sacrificed. |
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