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Question: Do you call all-in with KK during the first level of a deep-stack tournament?
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« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2007, 02:46:24 PM »



If the player is trading off a nit image


If the player is Tighty. INSTA-PASS, he's holding at least 5 aces in his hand.


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« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2007, 02:56:13 PM »

To paraphrase Dan Harrington:

Call, if he has aces you can always outdraw him.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2007, 06:23:55 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2007, 06:30:49 PM »

Call.

A fold isnt bad here but it would be bad if you show or basically tell him youve folded the hand, you've just let your table know early on that you will fold the second best hand to an overraise and IMO, you've thrown the tounramnent away then anyway.
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« Reply #19 on: November 05, 2007, 06:54:20 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: November 05, 2007, 08:29:29 PM »

I call, now i have never played an APAT event but im assuming the standard is kind of middling given this player is unknown. He has ak,qq often enough here to justify calling.

With knowledge of our opponent for example if it was AdamM i would find a pass.

if it's you I pass the KK to the 200  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2007, 08:35:06 PM »

Interesting spread of opinion on this one so far. 

I'm looking forward to getting Aces in the first level at the next APAT event.  In fact, I'd like to see aces at any level in an APAT event!
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« Reply #22 on: November 05, 2007, 08:37:47 PM »

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« Reply #23 on: November 05, 2007, 08:44:28 PM »

I cant beleive that any player would push all their chips in with less than Aces at this stage.

I read an article a couple of years ago I think and they said they would consider pushing early on in a deepstack comp with Aces to see if they could get a bad call.
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« Reply #24 on: November 05, 2007, 09:27:33 PM »

If you fancy your chances to go deep I don't think folding is a bad play at this stage. Not knowing your opponent doesn't make it less likely he has Aces...it probably increases the likelihood. Lots of new players in their first deep-stack tournament are going to play Aces like this...wanting to avoid a bad beat, internet experience etc...

So if I didn't know my opponent was a good player then I think Aces would be the most likely hand. Calling off everything pre-flop in the early stages without Aces is a big risk to take imo...especially if you can play.

That said....I probably call as well.
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« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2007, 09:44:48 PM »

insta fold for me - way too much risk at such an early stage of the tournament.
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« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2007, 10:13:16 PM »

I clicked fold but have since changed my mind....

Call- cos I know I can use those chips.

Folding will only result in me wasting a few more hours to bubble
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« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2007, 10:20:24 PM »

depends what the buyin and standard of tournament i am playing in

sunday mill i call in a heartbeat

GUKPT main event or any other main event £1k + i fold because i dont feel players wil risk their entire stacks at the risk of bumping into AA here without AA

tbh... any online event bar the stars or tilt £1k's in which i still may call, im not calling.
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« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2007, 10:24:53 PM »

I passed KK early on in the last of the Blonde/virgin challenge.....Sharky told me he had AA and I believed him!!
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« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2007, 10:28:38 PM »

Instacall for me.  But thats the gambler (fish) part of me taking over, I figure I'll either double up nicely at the beginning giving me the opportunity/choice to tighten up or see more flops later on (depending on how the table is playing, how tight, weak/strong/aggressive the players are) OR I'll go bust and hit the bar. 

If I bust I wouldn't regret my decision either.

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