live tourny hand

[Ironside]

£25 freeze 8k starting chips
blinds on a gentle increase
starting 100/200 200/400 300/600 400/800 500/1000 600/1200

you have QQ one off the cutoff and have 16000
average stack is aroun 10-12l
3 utg pushes all in for 3800

my thinking is you have 4 moves

1 fold
2 call
3 make a mini raise to 7k
4 make a raise to 10k (basically all in as only one guy on table still to act has more that 12k)

1 if your not going to play QQ against a short stack should you really be playing at all
2 if you get called or raised you dont know where your at
3 are you really going to fold to a reraise apart from the one other guy with more chips than you
4 you have the 3rd best starting hand let people know you have a big hand and that unless they have AA or KK they shouldnt really get involved

[AgentChip109]

wot are the blinds at this stage??

i like to shove myself. like u said u aint gonna really be able to fold to another raise and thi lets people know u have a hand and more chance of keeping it heads up which is wot u want. 3800 plus the blinds is a nice little win if ur hand holds (or sucks out)

if someone has AA or KK behind, then i guess that just poker

[Ironside]

sorry blinds are 300/600

[KarmaDope]

I'm shoving here, only move that makes sense. You would never put this down, and if you flat call you run the risk of some muppet calling with A-Q, cos its soooted, same with the min raise, and if you're gonna raise and use over half your stack you may as well get it all in preflop.

If I run into KK/AA then I'm just unlucky, that's poker.

[Graham C]

Push.

[Longy]

Shove to isolate, you are ahead of the shorties range 100% of the time. Also your hand rates to be the best at the table but it is vunerable to being outdrawn so get it in now.

[temp0r]

insta shove.

[SuperJez]

1) Raise to 10k
2) Call any resulting all in
3) Lose to KK
4) Go play casino table games instead
5) Profit

[Ironside]

1) Raise to 10k
2) Call any resulting all in
3) Lose to KK
4) Go play casino table games instead
5) Profit

i was just checking as MKKfish still reckons it was a bad play so i told him i would put it on here

[LuckyLloyd]

There is 4700 in the pot. Which equates to 30% of your stack. You have the third best starting hand. You have 26BBs.

Shove here every single time. And it isn't close; or a matter of styles; or dependant on reads; or your abillity relative to the field; blah, blah, blah.

[Ironside]

There is 4700 in the pot. Which equates to 30% of your stack. You have the third best starting hand. You have 26BBs.

Shove here every single time. And it isn't close; or a matter of styles; or dependant on reads; or your abillity relative to the field; blah, blah, blah.

as i said in post above i was happy with my play but MKKfish who was sat next to me reckons i could of gotten away from it

[Longy]

There is 4700 in the pot. Which equates to 30% of your stack. You have the third best starting hand. You have 26BBs.

Shove here every single time. And it isn't close; or a matter of styles; or dependant on reads; or your abillity relative to the field; blah, blah, blah.

as i said in post above i was happy with my play but MKKfish who was sat next to me reckons i could of gotten away from it

Get away from what did some accidentally expose aa or kk.

[biohazard]

I agree with everyone here, push is the right move. I dont understand how you'd get away from this hand. What were the specific reads on the guy? If he only goes all in with AA or KK then maybe lol.

[Ironside]

i have pointed this thread out to MKKfish and hopefully he will explain what i was supposed to do to save me losing 11.3k with this hand

[MKKfish]

ahem *cough* ok here goes....

Firstly I believe you had 6 peeps to act after you. Now I know you have a hand that'll stand up x times out of x but it was your tourney life. The bet was about 6 x BB so was isolating in itself without you adding to it and if anyone came in after you they had to be ahead of you. If they went over the top you could then fold, unless you wanted to race AK, (which is a doubtful holding given the initial raise). A smooth call behind you would raise alarm bells but at least you would get to see a flop and take it from there.
But your all in has no upside but lots of downside. As I said, isolation was already achieved and all that could happen was that you were gonna get caught with your pants down if someone behind you woke up with AA/KK.

You had a decent stack and I don't think you needed to get yourself where you were on that hand - I believe I told you that you were f*cked before the cards went over.

*edit* you say you were one from CO...really?....I'm sure I was MP and you acted before me....you had to be in fact coz that was the whole basis of the ruck. Maybe I should drink less.