England/Croatia thread

[TightEnd]

drainage is v poor

it rained constantly for the NFL game 3 weeks ago, and then for 72 hours before the match

lovely stadium but next time remember one important detail...the pitch drainage!!

correct me if im wrong but hasnt wembley got a roof?

which for unknown reasons stays open when it rains

the high stands also make it difficult

as does the English weather

all completely unforseeable and should have at no stage been factored into the planning process

[fergus8]

what do we want ?
BOLT
when do we want him?
NOW

[jizzemm]

Fat Frank... !!!

Thats where Eng and Gerrards problem is, I seriously dont think they can play together.. I must have watched a different game to everyone else, because I though Gerrard run his bolloxs off tonight, he was here there and everywhere, still does not mean he played great, but its him of Frank for me, Gerrard plays on the right..

Crouch best player on the field tonight, he will probably need a rest for Saturday though !!! 

usual scouse shit!

think you will find for a fat guy he ran further than any other player tonight!


gerrard and lampard both worked there socks off and played there hearts out.

cant nobdy else see that barry was the week link in midfield?

I never said Frank played shit or never run his bolloxs off either, I actually agree with you, i just pointed out Gerrard as he seemed to be getting it all.. I think they can't play together, and that Gerrard is probably better on the right if frank is playing.. The 2 best midfielders in the country..

Read the post, Scouse Shit a bit unfair !!!

[TightEnd]

what do we want ?
BOLT
when do we want him?
NOW

AND EVERYONE behaves please, or else my pet chinchilla gets it

[kinboshi]

Is Steven Gerrard beyond criticism from the media?

He was a disgrace in Russia and he was worse tonight.

Agreed, and what makes it worse is that he's easily the best English player.

Surely the most over-rated player in England.

For England, not in England.  Watch him week in, week out for Liverpool.  He's world class. 

At least he was there though,unlike his pal 'deserter' Carragher.

Yeah, Carragher sitting on the bench would have made a huge difference.  Like it did in the early games in the group when he should have played but was left on the bench only to see Brown or some other sub-standard player take the place he should have had.

[thetank]

what do we want ?
BOLT
when do we want him?
NOW

Be careful what you wish for.

[turny]

Fat Frank... !!!

Thats where Eng and Gerrards problem is, I seriously dont think they can play together.. I must have watched a different game to everyone else, because I though Gerrard run his bolloxs off tonight, he was here there and everywhere, still does not mean he played great, but its him of Frank for me, Gerrard plays on the right..

Crouch best player on the field tonight, he will probably need a rest for Saturday though !!! 

usual scouse shit!

think you will find for a fat guy he ran further than any other player tonight!


gerrard and lampard both worked there socks off and played there hearts out.

cant nobdy else see that barry was the week link in midfield?

I never said Frank played shit or never run his bolloxs off either, I actually agree with you, i just pointed out Gerrard as he seemed to be getting it all.. I think they can't play together, and that Gerrard is probably better on the right if frank is playing.. The 2 best midfielders in the country..

Read the post, Scouse Shit a bit unfair !!!

starting your post Fat Frank!!!!! a bit unfair imo to

[turny]

Is Steven Gerrard beyond criticism from the media?

He was a disgrace in Russia and he was worse tonight.

Agreed, and what makes it worse is that he's easily the best English player.

Surely the most over-rated player in England.

For England, not in England.  Watch him week in, week out for Liverpool.  He's world class. 

At least he was there though,unlike his pal 'deserter' Carragher.

Yeah, Carragher sitting on the bench would have made a huge difference.  Like it did in the early games in the group when he should have played but was left on the bench only to see Brown or some other sub-standard player take the place he should have had.

funny thing is boshi carragher would have played tonight. and he would of done a so much better job than the 2 centre backs who played tonight like they had never met each other before

[Pelham Boy]

Is Steven Gerrard beyond criticism from the media?

He was a disgrace in Russia and he was worse tonight.

Agreed, and what makes it worse is that he's easily the best English player.

Surely the most over-rated player in England.

For England, not in England.  Watch him week in, week out for Liverpool.  He's world class. 

At least he was there though,unlike his pal 'deserter' Carragher.

Yeah, Carragher sitting on the bench would have made a huge difference.  Like it did in the early games in the group when he should have played but was left on the bench only to see Brown or some other sub-standard player take the place he should have had.

No way is Gerrard world class. To be in that bracket surely you need more strings to your bow than a few hopeful 60 yard balls?

Don't you think Carragher would have played in front of both centre backs tonight Kin? Its part of the game waiting for your oppurtunity and taking it when it comes along.

People can say what they like about Beckham but he didn't quit when he was dropped.
He's also set up more England goals in the past 12 months than SWP will in his career.

[Newportlad]

England got what they deserved tonight.

Why play 4-5-1 or 4-3-3 as McClaren called it?   How often do they play that system?  Terrible decision to play for a draw
Why change the goalkeeper?  Put a young keeper into the biggest game for 2 years for England, and heap loads of pressure onto him in terrible goalkeeping conditions.
The worst player on the pitch for England was Wayne Bridge.   Dont think he did one thing right all night.   The rest of them were not much better, with the honourable exception of Peter Crouch.  The halftime subs Beckham and Defoe were not too bad.
Full credit to Croatia. They have a very good record since the became a seperate country from Yugoslavia.  3rd in World Cup 98 if i remember correctly.  England underestimated them in Croatia, and underestimated them tonight. They came to play and make a name for themselves tonight.
That pitch was an absolute disgrace for a so-called top class football team to play a home international.  Why dont they close the roof???    How come the markings from the NFL game about 3 weeks ago were still there?? Has the groundsman gone on strike?
McClaren will be asked to leave by the FA in the next couple of days.

Most dramatic game of football i've seen in a long time. Even better that the Scotland game on Saturday.

[fergus8]

id bring back hoddle, best england manager

[TightEnd]

What was Venables doing in the royal box after we went 2 down?


anyone else find that strange?


How many managers do you know that when 2-0 down stand under an umbrella whilst watching?

anyone else find that strange?

[jizzemm]

Fat Frank... !!!

Thats where Eng and Gerrards problem is, I seriously dont think they can play together.. I must have watched a different game to everyone else, because I though Gerrard run his bolloxs off tonight, he was here there and everywhere, still does not mean he played great, but its him of Frank for me, Gerrard plays on the right..

Crouch best player on the field tonight, he will probably need a rest for Saturday though !!! 

usual scouse shit!

think you will find for a fat guy he ran further than any other player tonight!


gerrard and lampard both worked there socks off and played there hearts out.

cant nobdy else see that barry was the week link in midfield?

I never said Frank played shit or never run his bolloxs off either, I actually agree with you, i just pointed out Gerrard as he seemed to be getting it all.. I think they can't play together, and that Gerrard is probably better on the right if frank is playing.. The 2 best midfielders in the country..

Read the post, Scouse Shit a bit unfair !!!

starting your post Fat Frank!!!!! a bit unfair imo to

thats fair enough.. truce ..   

[turny]

What was Venables doing in the royal box after we went 2 down?


anyone else find that strange?


How many managers do you know that when 2-0 down stand under an umbrella whilst watching?

anyone else find that strange?

he should have been standing in the rain getting wet like his players. he would have gain more respect doing it.

[turny]

Fat Frank... !!!

Thats where Eng and Gerrards problem is, I seriously dont think they can play together.. I must have watched a different game to everyone else, because I though Gerrard run his bolloxs off tonight, he was here there and everywhere, still does not mean he played great, but its him of Frank for me, Gerrard plays on the right..

Crouch best player on the field tonight, he will probably need a rest for Saturday though !!! 

usual scouse shit!

think you will find for a fat guy he ran further than any other player tonight!


gerrard and lampard both worked there socks off and played there hearts out.

cant nobdy else see that barry was the week link in midfield?

I never said Frank played shit or never run his bolloxs off either, I actually agree with you, i just pointed out Gerrard as he seemed to be getting it all.. I think they can't play together, and that Gerrard is probably better on the right if frank is playing.. The 2 best midfielders in the country..

Read the post, Scouse Shit a bit unfair !!!

starting your post Fat Frank!!!!! a bit unfair imo to

thats fair enough.. truce ..   

truce accepted. 


scousers love gerrard chelsea fans love lampard. both good players in there own right.

just annoys me that lampard seems to be the easy way out when it comes to finding fault.

yes he didnt have his most effective game tonight but had the balls to stick the penalty away and worked his nuts off as gerrard did also.