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November 21, 2007, 11:12:51 PM »
Carragher doesnt have one attribute better than King. When Ferdinand isn't fit, you don't play Terry and Carragher together.
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Quote from: Nemesis on November 21, 2007, 11:12:51 PM
Carragher doesnt have one attribute better than King. When Ferdinand isn't fit, you don't play Terry and Carragher together.
i agree and as said before carrager is the best cover for terry.
so if terry was injured id play carragher and ferdinand rather than king and ferdinand.
as for attributes i think carragher is a better reader of the game and a better passer of the ball than king thats my opinion
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November 21, 2007, 11:19:49 PM »
Quote from: Nemesis on November 21, 2007, 11:12:51 PM
Carragher doesnt have one attribute better than King.
When Ferdinand isn't fit, you don't play Terry and Carragher together.
Other than defending, you're probably right.
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November 21, 2007, 11:26:34 PM »
Quote from: inthebelly on November 21, 2007, 11:15:41 PM
Quote from: Nemesis on November 21, 2007, 11:12:51 PM
Carragher doesnt have one attribute better than King. When Ferdinand isn't fit, you don't play Terry and Carragher together.
i agree and as said before carrager is the best cover for terry.
so if terry was injured id play carragher and ferdinand rather than king and ferdinand.
as for attributes i think carragher is a better reader of the game and a better passer of the ball than king thats my opinion
I can see where you are coming from, but King not only played DCM for club, but for his country also, so syaing that Carraghers passing is better than Kings, is a bit off the mark IMO.
I just think that Ferdinand, King and Terry are quite simply in a different league than Carragher, and King is hampered not only by his injury problems, but by the fact that he plays for Tottenham. In the 2002 World Cup, Campbell and Ferdinand were the best Defensive pairing I have seen in my lifetime.
Now, back to England. It is -EV trying to accomodate, Lamps, Gerrard and Rooney in the same team. You need a DM with Lamps and Gerrard, and that means either playing 3 at the back or 1 up top. I don't think that Rooney is suited playing the lone stariker and no one has won anything playing 3 at the back without Maradona in the team. Tonight, he should have started with Bent up front, Gerrard, Lampard and Hargeaves in Midfield and the same wing players, switching sides. You don't play Crouch on his own up front, against those central defenders(old and slow), under those conditions.
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November 21, 2007, 11:28:54 PM »
If there ever was a blessing in disguise...this is it.
The whole system is a shambles.
For us not to qualify saves us from the usual "England expects"..."This is the year" bull5hit. For a team of England's stature not to qualify, and teams like Russia and Croatia to get there ahead of us, means there is something inherently wrong with the system. McClaren is a complete <ock...but who appointed that yes-man?
The stuffy, stuck-in-a-time-warp, idiots at the FA.
I'm probably one of the most staunchly conservative, bring-back-the-establishment and pro-status quo person on here ...but even I think there needs to be a massive overhaul of the institution that has avoided appointing the likes of Brian Clough (because he WASN'T a yes-man and going for the manager who will shake things up, because they need yes-men to vindicate their 5hite decisions).
The squad of 2006-2008 has been one of the most talented on paper, but on paper only, since 1990 and yet we have still failed to get out of a group that consisted of a pub-team, three not-long independent developing nations, a war-torn country and a dictatorship with no football heritage since the days of USSR in the 1970s. We need a figure not unlike Peter Kenyon in charge of the national game's governing body, we need no separation between the FA and our top division, we need foreign quotas to stop us having to rely on just ONE star striker (Rooney), on just two class central defenders (Terry and Ferdinand) and second rate goalkeepers (Robinson, James and Carson) if players are injured and we need a top class(foreign or not...I don't give a rat's ar5e) manager.
For no British team to be in Austria/Switzerland is awful...but I wish we'd had the guts of the Scottish or the Northern Irish. Oh and we need to stop kidding ourselves that we have the best league in the world...it comes a poor fourth to Spain's, Germany's and Italy's...best fans in the world? Croatia's supporters made more noise than we have in the entire campaign.
The English game is sick...it needs healing...and quick.
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November 21, 2007, 11:30:36 PM »
That says a lot too.
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November 21, 2007, 11:37:00 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on November 21, 2007, 11:28:54 PM
If there ever was a blessing in disguise...this is it.
The whole system is a shambles.
For us not to qualify saves us from the usual "England expects"..."This is the year" bull5hit. For a team of England's stature not to qualify, and teams like Russia and Croatia to get there ahead of us, means there is something inherently wrong with the system. McClaren is a complete <ock...but who appointed that yes-man?
The stuffy, stuck-in-a-time-warp, idiots at the FA.
I'm probably one of the most staunchly conservative, bring-back-the-establishment and pro-status quo person on here ...but even I think there needs to be a massive overhaul of the institution that has avoided appointing the likes of Brian Clough (because he WASN'T a yes-man and going for the manager who will shake things up, because they need yes-men to vindicate their 5hite decisions).
The squad of 2006-2008 has been one of the most talented on paper, but on paper only, since 1990 and yet we have still failed to get out of a group that consisted of a pub-team, three not-long independent developing nations, a war-torn country and a dictatorship with no football heritage since the days of USSR in the 1970s. We need a figure not unlike Peter Kenyon in charge of the national game's governing body, we need no separation between the FA and our top division, we need foreign quotas to stop us having to rely on just ONE star striker (Rooney), on just two class central defenders (Terry and Ferdinand) and second rate goalkeepers (Robinson, James and Carson) if players are injured and we need a top class(foreign or not...I don't give a rat's ar5e) manager.
For no British team to be in Austria/Switzerland is awful...but I wish we'd had the guts of the Scottish or the Northern Irish. Oh and we need to stop kidding ourselves that we have the best league in the world...it comes a poor fourth to Spain's, Germany's and Italy's...best fans in the world? Croatia's supporters made more noise than we have in the entire campaign.
The English game is sick...it needs healing...and quick.
Michael Owen is still a top class striker. We have plenty of excellent CD's (Ferdinand, Terry, King, Woodgate, Carragher etc...) so saying there is only two is being very harsh. The keeper situation is very worrying. If Robinson was dropped, than so be it, but instead of throwing Carson into the lions den, he should have stuck James in goal. No matter how many calamities he has thrown in the past, he has experience at the highest level and tonight was a MASSIVE game.
However, being on a gambling forum, you should all understand the high variance that is international football.
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November 21, 2007, 11:39:37 PM »
King & woodgate world class? What planet are you on nem?
king is finished due to arthritis i've heard and woodgate is over rated imo
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November 21, 2007, 11:44:37 PM »
i am surprised nobody has mentioned the goalkeeper tonight, i dont think he had any confidence
at all, in fact i think a lot of englands problems are the pressure the media puts on england,its hard for any of the players to be confident the riducle they receive in the media, the defence was so poor because every game its a different defence ,no one knows who to cover when balls are played through ,this would happen to any team with a different defence every week , only one man who can be blamed for that, McClarren,i know we have injurys but its still down to him , i wasnt a sven fan but i think it would of been a 0-0 draw tonight if he was still in charge, still think if beckham would of started from day 1 we would of qualified before tonights match
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November 21, 2007, 11:45:34 PM »
Quote from: celtic on November 21, 2007, 11:39:37 PM
King & woodgate world class? What planet are you on nem?
king is finished due to arthritis i've heard and woodgate is over rated imo
King isn't finished with arthritis and Woodgate has cost more than £30million in transfers.
Woodgate is so good. He has absolutely EVERYTHING. I cannot believe he moved to Middlesbrough, but I guess you would play for Celtic if they were shit.
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Quote from: celtic on November 21, 2007, 11:39:37 PM
King & woodgate world class? What planet are you on nem?
king is finished due to arthritis i've heard and woodgate is over rated imo
Woodgate would be 1st choice for country if he was injury free. Anyone who has seen him knows he is absolute class. You don't go to Madrid if your crap. Shame his injuries have meant apart from Leeds he didn't have a chance to prove it.
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November 21, 2007, 11:48:15 PM »
Quote from: steeveg on November 21, 2007, 11:44:37 PM
i am surprised nobody has mentioned the goalkeeper tonight, i dont think he had any confidence
at all, in fact i think a lot of englands problems are the pressure the media puts on england,its hard for any of the players to be confident the riducle they receive in the media, the defence was so poor because every game its a different defence ,no one knows who to cover when balls are played through ,this would happen to any team with a different defence every week , only one man who can be blamed for that, McClarren,i know we have injurys but its still down to him , i wasnt a sven fan but i think it would of been a 0-0 draw tonight if he was still in charge, still think if beckham would of started from day 1 we would of qualified before tonights match
Beckhams cross tonight was absolutely amazing. Unbelievable cross, but apart from that he did NOTHING.
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Quote from: TightEnd on November 21, 2007, 11:28:54 PM
Oh and we need to stop kidding ourselves that we have the best league in the world...it comes a poor fourth to Spain's, Germany's and Italy's
I'd disagree with this, look at the champions league semi finals last year. Three out of four teams coming from the Premiership.
Wouldn't surprise me to see something similar this year too. Lot's of things are wrong with the national side, but the domestic product is still the best league in the world by any measurable standard.
Match of the Day is the best programme on telly.
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November 21, 2007, 11:52:12 PM »
My point is the FA Premier League is too powerful.
Beyond that in England below the top 3 or so sides, maybe 4 or 5, I see little quality.
I see more strength in depth in the other three leagues
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Quote from: TightEnd on November 21, 2007, 11:28:54 PM
Oh and we need to stop kidding ourselves that we have the best league in the world...it comes a poor fourth to Spain's, Germany's and Italy's
Wow you must be on drugs or very drunk!
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