non runners in multiple bets

[AdamM]

Am I getting this wrong?

If you back three horses in three seperate races the second pick is a non-runner, is the bet void or lost if the first horse ran and lost?

surely is doesn't matter which race contains the non-runner, it's void.

My situation is actually with fighters, but I'd expect it to be the same.

[Pelham Boy]

If the bet was a treble then im afraid its a loser.

[AdamM]

hmm, looks like you might be right. I've looked at some rules on some sportsbooks and, while Betfair is an exeption in a lot of cases, it seems I owe a customer services supervisor an apology.

[ACE2M]

it becomes a win double or e/w double so the fact your first horse lost brings the whole bet down.

[boldie]

Am I getting this wrong?

If you back three horses in three seperate races the second pick is a non-runner, is the bet void or lost if the first horse ran and lost?

surely is doesn't matter which race contains the non-runner, it's void.

My situation is actually with fighters, but I'd expect it to be the same.

if you have the horses in a trixie the bet reverts to 2 singles and 2 doubles (the one normal double between the 2 remaining horses and the treble that reverts to a double)

[AndrewT]

it becomes a win double or e/w double so the fact your first horse lost brings the whole bet down.

Yes, otherwise you'd have punters whose horses in the 2.30 and 3.00 came nowhere, but who go back to the bookies to get their money back when their runner in the 5.00 is withdrawn, which is clearly insane.

[lazaroonie]

it becomes a win double or e/w double so the fact your first horse lost brings the whole bet down.

Yes, otherwise you'd have punters whose horses in the 2.30 and 3.00 came nowhere, but who go back to the bookies to get their money back when their runner in the 5.00 is withdrawn, which is clearly insane.

famous scam from a few years ago, using multiple bets to disguise big bets for single horses, by the legendary Tony Collins :

Collins had also entered two other horses, Opera Cloak and Ankerwyke, in races at other courses.

A vast number of small bets were laid, backing Gay Future for a double with either of the other two horses.

Both Opera Cloak and Ankerwyke were pulled out of their races, the double now became a single and, hence, a lot of money was riding on Gay Future.

Soapy flakes were then rubbed into the legs of the Gay Future to give the impression the horse was sweating and keep on-track punters from backing it, holding its odds of 10-1.

The horse duly romped home in first and, following an investigation, Collins and an Irish building contractor Tony Murphy were convicted of conspiracy to defraud the bookmakers and fined.

[ACE2M]

it becomes a win double or e/w double so the fact your first horse lost brings the whole bet down.

Yes, otherwise you'd have punters whose horses in the 2.30 and 3.00 came nowhere, but who go back to the bookies to get their money back when their runner in the 5.00 is withdrawn, which is clearly insane.

famous scam from a few years ago, using multiple bets to disguise big bets for single horses, by the legendary Tony Collins :

Collins had also entered two other horses, Opera Cloak and Ankerwyke, in races at other courses.

A vast number of small bets were laid, backing Gay Future for a double with either of the other two horses.

Both Opera Cloak and Ankerwyke were pulled out of their races, the double now became a single and, hence, a lot of money was riding on Gay Future.

Soapy flakes were then rubbed into the legs of the Gay Future to give the impression the horse was sweating and keep on-track punters from backing it, holding its odds of 10-1.

The horse duly romped home in first and, following an investigation, Collins and an Irish building contractor Tony Murphy were convicted of conspiracy to defraud the bookmakers and fined.

a brilliant scam that deserved to be paid.

this blog is brilliant if you like betting scams and the like http://www.cubone.co.uk/

he's been getting a bit soppy lately but if you go back a bit theres some real gems.

[bigalhx1]

they run gay future at cartmel bye the time the bookie suspected anything was going on it was 2 late to get a man to the track  if you have been to cartmel you know it is long winding roads no way to pass any other cars and there was no such thing as mobile phones in them days but they would have got away with the scam but they had not moved the other 2 horses from there temporary stables and when the bookies rang the stables to ask about the other 2 horses the owner of the stables who new nothing about the scam said they was fine and was running round in the field  all they had to do was put them in a horse box drive down the road and say the horsebox had broke down and they would have got away with it

[bigalhx1]

Good idea for a new topic betting scam tails