Tournament hand of the week: 26th November

[celtic]

i fold.

minimum set.

cheers

vince

[ifm]

I'm always wary of raising in EP but your hand is in the range i would. i'd deffo raise here and fold to a reraise from the limper purely because it isn't worth the risk of him having a bigger hand.
The trouble with his flat all is that there is no clue to what he has except that it's very unlikely he has KK QQ JJ.
He's more likely to have small to mid PP or suited connectors (i'd favour the latter).
So he checks, i often find in this situation a continuation bet is raised so the question for me is can i call a reraise?
Or do i check and give him bad odds on a non heart turn?
I think the standard is to continuation  bet and see what he does but i'm going to check and let him think i don't like the ace and catch him on the turn.

[MKKfish]

I'm always wary of raising in EP but your hand is in the range i would. i'd deffo raise here and fold to a reraise from the limper purely because it isn't worth the risk of him having a bigger hand.
The trouble with his flat all is that there is no clue to what he has except that it's very unlikely he has KK QQ JJ.
He's more likely to have small to mid PP or suited connectors (i'd favour the latter).
So he checks, i often find in this situation a continuation bet is raised so the question for me is can i call a reraise?
Or do i check and give him bad odds on a non heart turn?
I think the standard is to continuation  bet and see what he does but i'm going to check and let him think i don't like the ace and catch him on the turn.

I think the check here is v ugly play - no way am I giving him free cards. Even if he CRs you to say 7.5k there is still just enough FE in an all in to say "f*ck off I've a monster"... I want to do everything I can NOT to see the turn imo.

Extremely thinly disguised "I played a £5200 event" post

Thinly disguised 2p2 'hater' post..... 

[boldie]

if he check raises (which he can do with a massive range here) I'd be in there.

[Graham C]

Yeah I think I'd be all in if he check raises.  I'd hate it though, just not sure I'd be able to fold here.

It's a bit like Mantis's hand the other week, hitting trips on the flop and slow playing them - is he doing that?  If he comes over the top, I don't think so. If he comes over the top, I'd put him on either AK, AQ or KK and move in.   

Incidentally, I did the slow play trips thing at the GUKPT and it was a great move (for me) as I went on to hit a full house.  Sadly, the other guy knew exactly what I had and didn't pay me off, he saw I was itching to be on the flop   Thanks for that thread though, the advice was appreciated

Anyway, back on subject,

If he calls then checks again on non heart turn, I'd be a bit more concerned and more than likely check behind him.

[boldie]

Yeah I think I'd be all in if he check raises.  I'd hate it though, just not sure I'd be able to fold here.

It's a bit like Mantis's hand the other week, hitting trips on the flop and slow playing them - is he doing that?  If he comes over the top, I don't think so. If he comes over the top, I'd put him on either AK, AQ or KK and move in.   

Incidentally, I did the slow play trips thing at the GUKPT and it was a great move (for me) as I went on to hit a full house.  Sadly, the other guy knew exactly what I had and didn't pay me off, he saw I was itching to be on the flop   Thanks for that thread though, the advice was appreciated

Anyway, back on subject,

If he calls then checks again on non heart turn, I'd be a bit more concerned and more than likely check behind him.

he wouldn't play trips like this..against a known LAG you bet out knowing that he is likely to re-raise you so if you have a big hand you make Laggie pay you off. I fully expect to be ahead here more often than not.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

If he c/raises i dont think i can pass... But if he makes it 7.5k i think i just flat call it - if you shove the flop he doesnt fold his heart draw anyway with so much invested and if he is on a complete bluff he may think he can take you off it with a shove into you on the turn. Whereas if you 3bet the flop he will fold a complete bluff... Think that makes some sense, probly not tho.

[AlexMartin]

If he c/raises i dont think i can pass... But if he makes it 7.5k i think i just flat call it - if you shove the flop he doesnt fold his heart draw anyway with so much invested and if he is on a complete bluff he may think he can take you off it with a shove into you on the turn. Whereas if you 3bet the flop he will fold a complete bluff... Think that makes some sense, probly not tho.

makes sense. Im willing to go bust in this spot with this image.

Pre and flop are standard, defence against c/r isnt needed, im not worried about a set enough to pass here. Flat and let him hang himself on turn with AQ.

Hi  Mr Dempsey too. Im using your money to pay my bills sweet.

[boldie]

if he check raises (which he can do with a massive range here) I'd be in there.

Reading this back I have to say I like Rookies line. When I said "if he check raises" I was thinking of him pushing all-in (which is a very easy call for me as with the image you have he never expects you to actually have a big hand here). If he checkraises to 7.5k I let him hang himself on the turn and I'll flatcall on the flop.

[Bongo]

Would you do that on any combination of turn card/betting or would some make you change your mind?

[boldie]

Would you do that on any combination of turn card/betting or would some make you change your mind?

Well yes..if he leads out on the flop..and I were to re-raise him and he pushed all his chips in the middle that would make me think twice about what I'm facing.
Realistically has can only have a few hands he could do that with.

5's, 9's and nutflush draw (he could be representing them of course but effectively they are the only hads that are realistically killing me now. I ruled out that he was set mining with 5's in my first post. I also don't take him for 9's there but he could have that. so the only 2 hands I would fear here are 9's and the FD. I'll take that shot so I'm always betting/raising here. if he pushes to my re-raise I'd have to consider.

[77dave]

Wb Flushy

I think the first thing that i do is amke a bigger raise preflop. Im quite happy to lose a few more chips at this stage to buy me more info and to save me chips for futher down the line.
If he hadnt limped utg how much would you of raised. He is calling 1000 into a 2400 pot so i dont feel i have enough info on his hand.

After the flop i consider checking behind him.  i have hit my flop there is a good chance that he passes to a contination bet. If you check the flop and the turn comes a non-dangerous card there is a high chance that he will bet it for you.

If i do decide to bet the flopim with rookie and smooth call the check raise if it comes. There is a chance he has flopped a set here and wanted to see the flop for cheap with his pocket pair.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

Would you do that on any combination of turn card/betting or would some make you change your mind?

Call regardless.

[Bongo]

Would you do that on any combination of turn card/betting or would some make you change your mind?

Well yes..if he leads out on the flop..and I were to re-raise him and he pushed all his chips in the middle that would make me think twice about what I'm facing.
Realistically has can only have a few hands he could do that with.

5's, 9's and nutflush draw (he could be representing them of course but effectively they are the only hads that are realistically killing me now. I ruled out that he was set mining with 5's in my first post. I also don't take him for 9's there but he could have that. so the only 2 hands I would fear here are 9's and the FD. I'll take that shot so I'm always betting/raising here. if he pushes to my re-raise I'd have to consider.

Sorry, I mean once you have called the theoretical check raise on the flop, would you always be calling on the turn regardless of what comes/what he does?

[boldie]

Would you do that on any combination of turn card/betting or would some make you change your mind?

Well yes..if he leads out on the flop..and I were to re-raise him and he pushed all his chips in the middle that would make me think twice about what I'm facing.
Realistically has can only have a few hands he could do that with.

5's, 9's and nutflush draw (he could be representing them of course but effectively they are the only hads that are realistically killing me now. I ruled out that he was set mining with 5's in my first post. I also don't take him for 9's there but he could have that. so the only 2 hands I would fear here are 9's and the FD. I'll take that shot so I'm always betting/raising here. if he pushes to my re-raise I'd have to consider.

Sorry, I mean once you have called the theoretical check raise on the flop, would you always be calling on the turn regardless of what comes/what he does?

Good question. If a high heart (AKQ) comes down then always yes. (As the only FD I am putting him on is a good nut flush so AK AQ).
I wouldn't mind seeing what he'd do on a low-heart turn as very few people bet out with the nut-flush.

If he bets out on a non-heart turn than I'd have to say yes as I can't confidently put him on pocket 9's (I'm just not that good in a real life situation) (which is the only hand he could then realistically have that beats me and everything else he could have I'm ahead of)