Tournament hand of the week: 26th November

[Dubai]

No-one has spotted the obvious mistake preflop.

Throw in 4 500 chips and look on in horror as the dealer announces 2000 to play. Call the floor, claim ignorance, too many sherbets the night before, blatantly meant to call and throw 4 100 chips in, adamently say you said "Call" before throwing them in, look round the table for someone to back you up, look horrified when you are told it doesnt stand. Then ship it in in a huge rage of tilt when someone repops.

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[NoflopsHomer]

[Royal Flush]

No-one has spotted the obvious mistake preflop.

Throw in 4 500 chips and look on in horror as the dealer announces 2000 to play. Call the floor, claim ignorance, too many sherbets the night before, blatantly meant to call and throw 4 100 chips in, adamently say you said "Call" before throwing them in, look round the table for someone to back you up, look horrified when you are told it doesnt stand. Then ship it in in a huge rage of tilt when someone repops.

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Dave you are simply a legend, i deffo need to work on my moody's.

[LuckyLloyd]

LETS GET ON WITH THIS THREAD PLEASE. 

[boldie]

LETS GET ON WITH THIS THREAD PLEASE. 

wow, we actually agree on something LLoyd!

[Royal Flush]

As i said previously although i was maximising the chances that a check raise could be a bluff i was still not wild to see one. The one good thing about a check raise here is i am pretty certain it is either a stone cold bluff or a better hand than mine, rarely is it a worse 1 pair or a flush draw. As such i knew there was yet again little value in a 3 bet all in. Instead i decided i needed to do my best to sell weakness, as such i did all i could to physically look weak as well as act as if i was about to pass.

After a couple of minutes of deliberation (i had already decided to call nearly instantly) i made the call. I thought this might surprise him and thus get him to rush into an action on the river, especially when he is bluffing.

The river card came the

Making the board 

Adam now quickly bets 7k, this surprised me somewhat, i was expecting any bet on the end to be an all in, the 7k bet confused me somewhat, surely any oppo who calls 7k on the turn is going to call 7k on the river, especially when the draw has come in. It was about this point of the hand i wondered what would have happened if i had just bet the flop and kept this pot simple!

So the final action, what do we all do and how do we think this hand has played out. I believe the reveal usually occurs on Sunday, so until then.....

[boldie]

ow..have to think about this one for a while.. great choice of hand Flush

[Paullie_D]

The river card came the

Making the board 

Hold on..that flop has changed!

The flop comes 

If it was mis-read on the flop then ..looks sweet and would explain a lot.

[LuckyLloyd]

As i said previously although i was maximising the chances that a check raise could be a bluff i was still not wild to see one. The one good thing about a check raise here is i am pretty certain it is either a stone cold bluff or a better hand than mine, rarely is it a worse 1 pair or a flush draw. As such i knew there was yet again little value in a 3 bet all in. Instead i decided i needed to do my best to sell weakness, as such i did all i could to physically look weak as well as act as if i was about to pass.

After a couple of minutes of deliberation (i had already decided to call nearly instantly) i made the call. I thought this might surprise him and thus get him to rush into an action on the river, especially when he is bluffing.

The river card came the

Making the board 

Adam now quickly bets 7k, this surprised me somewhat, i was expecting any bet on the end to be an all in, the 7k bet confused me somewhat, surely any oppo who calls 7k on the turn is going to call 7k on the river, especially when the draw has come in. It was about this point of the hand i wondered what would have happened if i had just bet the flop and kept this pot simple!

So the final action, what do we all do and how do we think this hand has played out. I believe the reveal usually occurs on Sunday, so until then.....

Call. I don't think there is any other option now. FWIW, whenever I see someone bet less than all - in on the end in a hand like this it makes it more likely that they are buffing.

And btw - I really don't care what he turns over in the end. His line and betsizing indicate that he is shit at poker.

[Longy]

Call the pot is far too big to pass tptk here.

[Royal Flush]

The river card came the

Making the board 

Hold on..that flop has changed!

The flop comes 

Yes was missclick original flop was correct







If it was mis-read on the flop then ..looks sweet and would explain a lot.

[boldie]

OK I've thought about it for a while now and his bet is confusing..It screams "call me"...or could be a stopper bet...the size of it throws me.

The one thing I would not do is push (although that might be the right move here as he could be on a hand he lays down...arrrrrrrrrrghhh) As they say.."A worse hand will fold and a better hand will call" though that's not necesarrily true on this board.

Can I find a fold here?..I don't think so..he might have had the AK/AQ of hearts ...I dunno....in the moment ..right now I flatcall...though at the time I might be thinking fold....yeah a flat call will do for me

Great hand to choose Flush and I can't wait to hear the conclusion of this one (or thoughts behind it from you and other Laggies)

[ifm]

And btw - I really don't care what he turns over in the end. His line and betsizing indicate that he is shit at poker.

Unless he has it of course.
BTW whatever happened to short/long term results?
You're judging a bloke from one single hand? tut tut.

Scared play i think on the turn flushy, you've second guessed yourself when i think you should have stuck to your "weakness" strategy.
As said you really have to cross your fingers and call here.

[MKKfish]

Watching from the parrallel universe where I am playing the same hand I feel even better about folding to the CR on the turn.

Not sure what river you wanted when you called the CR on the turn other than the K. In fact when you did call it you must have had an idea how/what you were going to do on the river.

For me I still don't think he has a flush. Your decision now is simple..is he AK, AQ or 99?...Flippaments and call/fold accordingly but deffo no raise.


And to use my new fav expression... 'Head asplode'

[MANTIS01]

Just logged on and read this hand through from start to finish...impressive stuff.

A question bugged me when reading it though...so thoughts please.



If we play the part of Villain at the table this is what we have seen....

have gone to no showdowns so your table image is extremely active, you have raised and won 13 of the last 30 hands.

It is fair to say that we have made certain judgements about Hero's playing style...He is aggressive...He isn't afraid to bet. He puts his chips in aggressively. He will frequently bully people off pots.

You find yourself involved in a pot with Hero and suddenly he is a different player...he is passive. Why would you think this was a good bluff opportunity? If someone can answer this for me I will have a better understanding of why checking the flop to induce a bluff is the way to play A-K here.

Why is checking the flop, smooth calling the re-raise and looking weak...

i decided i needed to do my best to sell weakness, as such i did all i could to physically look weak as well as act as if i was about to pass.

...the best way to play this hand? We are "disguising" our hand by playing out-of-character. I don't get why standing out from the crowd is a good disguise?

Checking the flop tells Villain a story that we are scared to bet the A high board? But we have already shown him lots of times that we are not a player that gets afraid like this. I don't understand why this is a convincing story to tell. Only calling Villain's turn raise really compounds this problem. We have gone from a fearless table captain to a scared calling-station? And we are calling EVEN THOUGH we are scared of the Ace. I don't like this disguise because I don't think it's a very good one.

We tend to think a lot about what our opponents hand is but what hand are WE trying to sell him? Is this how aggressive players play Queens?...looking and acting weak to entice your opponent to bet into a board you don't like.

If Villain is capable I don't see him believing Mike Caro for a second. Not enough to see it as a really good spot to bluff his chips away anyway.

A better disguise is to bet the flop out as normal...and maybe act strong for effect.

If Villain is tuned in I think Hero is always behind here and calling the river is a donation.