Playable Stack Poll - Fast Responses Required for my homework

[Nightfly]

I am trying to establish where the average stack is deemed comfortable in relation to the blinds.

Which of the above options most typifies being neither short-stacked nor chipped up.

I would appreciate your hasty responses and any comments you may wish to add

nightfly

[Royal Flush]

40 bb's.....

Seriously though when you get less than 25 bb's there is not much play, i have a rule when playing online 30BB+ piss about, steal, call raises then outplay. 20-30BB's can afford to take flops, do not need to push when i can call a raise with a decent pair and take a 'safe flop'. 20-10, serious hand's only, maybe the odd steal in highly optimal situations. 10-5 really push anything you can get away with, especially try to pick of limpers, AJ is a monster! 5-0, all in on any pot that hasn't been limped or raised.

So i voted 25 as there is just about enough play in it.

[Mrs Nightfly]

20-30BB's can afford to take flops, do not need to push when i can call a raise with a decent pair and take a 'safe flop'. 20-10, serious hand's only, maybe the odd steal in highly optimal situations.

this is the kind of stuff I meant by 'comfortable'... i wish i had been able to explain what i meant as well as you have

nevertheless i am accepting your answer as 20

[Mrs Nightfly]

oops wrong log in

[Nightfly]

that's better

[Karabiner]

IMO 20 is "playable" and I would consider it to be the mean.

A final table with an average stack of 20 BB's would get no complaints from me.

I guess we're talking about one day tourneys here.

[Nightfly]

Ralph,

I think it is probably an important consideration regardless of the length of a tournament  (be it 1 day, or 2 or the WSOP main event)

I had always assumed that allowing for an average stack of 15 to 20 BBs would be the acceptable rule to follow when considering blind structures and the ever present constraints of time.

The results of this poll are of interest to me in light of the other thread which categorises improvements made to the blind structure in Nottingham as silly or a bad joke.

In truth whatever you do there will always be someone who doesn't like it.

As a conscientious Cardroom supervisor I cannot concern myself overly with what this individual or that individual may want. I have to consider what is fair to all players at all times during a competition.

Everyone at some time or other will be short-stacked and under pressure from the escalating blinds, and I am sure that any player in this position would wish that this or that were different. Of course lower blind levels would help... but at the end of the day elimination tournaments are always going to disappoint the majority of the field.

[Nightfly]

I am very impressed with the speed of everyones response...

I am assuming that with the emergence of 20 BBs as the favourite that the Biggest Blind level should allow 40 BBs between the remaining two players or should heads up be more?

This would mean that with 2 million chips in play, blinds of 25,000 and 50,000 would be acceptable 'heads up'

[Royal Flush]

HU i think 25bb vs 25bb makes a good game, 40 vs 40 makes a great game. More than that actually has a reverse effect in my opinion.

I play a fair few HU games and i like fixed blinds at 25-50 with 2000 chips. They make for the best games imo, i have played 20,000 on 25-50 and it was a waste of time.

[Karabiner]

I am very impressed with the speed of everyones response...

I am assuming that with the emergence of 20 BBs as the favourite that the Biggest Blind level should allow 40 BBs between the remaining two players or should heads up be more?

This would mean that with 2 million chips in play, blinds of 25,000 and 50,000 would be acceptable 'heads up'

I'm not sure that it is necessary to increase the blinds during the final so that 20 bb's is constantly the average.

I think it is a good starting point, or target, but the game can still develop in many different ways.

Meaning that when it is four handed it is not important that the average stack is still 20 bb's

[tikay]

Well I'm extremely wary of getting it in the neck again, when I'm actually (& always have been) on-side with Nightfly. And of COURSE it's hard to please everyone.

But perhaps some lateral thinking is in order here.

ANY one day comp will, to a degree, result in "fast" poker at the sharp end. That's inevitable.

But maybe (ducks to avoid incoming missiles) starting a little earlier - only on "self-deal nights" I hasten to add - would help, though not entirely solve, the problem. The "cost" to the Casino is having the Cardroom Supervisor/Manager on duty for an extra hour, or two (depernding on how early you started). I am sure some innovative thinking couild overcome that problem at little cost.

And I am aware that there is more to consider than the players - that's a serious point, not irony - but, if asked, I'd estimate 80% of the players would vote for an earlier start than the current 9.15-9.30. Solves TWO problems at a stroke. And Notts get a big up for giving 80% of the punters what they want.

I'll get me coat. I just KNOW I'm gonna be in trub again.......

[Nightfly]

its okay tikay felt the need to vent my spleen at someone else.(Sorry was direct criticism this time and i feel i work too hard to take that)

been into work today despite being on holiday

I know earlier starts are a viable solution to a few things.

They are certainly not possible at the moment on dealer provided nights but there may well be a trial of earlier starts come christmas time or maybe even a few weeks earlier.

And in case anyone doesn't yet realise... the job of a cardroom supervisor is a constant battle

[tikay]

EVERYBODY realises that running a cardroom is difficult. At least, everyone with an ounce of brain.

But I do wish you'd realise we, or the vast majority of us, are NOT having a pop at you. It's NOT personal. Customers ask for things. It's the way the world is.

Now, forget about Gala, & enjoy the rest of your holiday. And post another pic of that little angel of yours. Then we'll all melt.

[redsimon]

Voted for 20 bbs. Anything higher would make a one day tourny almost certainly end in a chip count.

Anything smaller changes the nature of the comp towards a move allin preflop type game. Playable but not great for poker.

I seem to recall seeing somewhere it was discussed that blind levels were adjusted so the 20 x bb average stack was maintained. Whether it was on the final only or when the tourney got down to last three or two tables I can't remember (plus I cannot find the article!).

Keep up the good work Nightfly. I might even make my way down the old place when my health is a bit better.

[Royal Flush]

Redsimon are you talking about the VC poker cup and 25 bb's?