Luton "G" Casino, opinions please!

[Ironside]

37%
22%
15%
11%
8%
7%

[77dave]

37%
22%
15%
11%
8%
7%

That looks about right for me   only paying top 6 so 10% of the field  very similar to pokerstars but a little less top heavy

[Ironside]

37%
22%
15%
11%
8%
7%

That looks about right for me   only paying top 6 so 10% of the field  very similar to pokerstars but a little less top heavy

i copied it from pokerstars horse payout they pay 8 with over 56 though

[bobby1]

to be fair, the payout structures were altered/flattened in the summer. I and Jim were consulted as part of that process

If that is the case then thats a good step forward. What are the payout structures now Rich?

My problem with the payout structure isnt the usual is too top heavy or its too flat
my problem is the increases between the levels

example being during the festival the £100 roe   7 places got paid as follows

2,410
1,380
1,040
   830
   620
   410
   210

Each place increases by £200 allowing for rounding until you get to 2nd place    each place should get more of an increase than the place before

OK, so make a suggestion then. Say, 60 runners, and a £100 Freezeout.

a very quick effort.

6k pool

1900 30%
1400 24%
1000 16%
700 11%
500 8%
300 5%
200 3%

% not quite right as I havent added the bits but you get the drift

I have used 7 places as I think that was how manyy they paid for a similar comp the last time I was there.

For me 37% is too much at the top.

[Ironside]

your missing 3% bobby so i would make it 5% for 7th and 6% for 6th

[bobby1]

your missing 3% bobby so i would make it 5% for 7th and 6% for 6th

as i said Iron , the % i have quoted isnt rounded up spot on

[bobby1]

your missing 3% bobby so i would make it 5% for 7th and 6% for 6th

as i said Iron , the % i have quoted isnt rounded up spot on
ie the top prize is actually 31 and a bit %

[RED-DOG]

to be fair, the payout structures were altered/flattened in the summer. I and Jim were consulted as part of that process

Consulted yes  in agreement no

im happy with the breakdown of how many spots get paid but as for the % breakdown i think is terrible and have been asking for this to be changed for weeks

Suggestions please, then, for the % payout structure you think would be reasonable. And, of course, therein lies the rub - as most will disagree on this matter......!

I think it was Red Dog that once suggested that live rooms should take a look at online payout structures and use those, I agree with that.

Yep, that's what I said, and I'm sticking by it. Have a look at the payout structure on PokerStars, it's as close to perfect as you will ever get.

( In my, & a few 100,000 others humble opinion, of course).

[TightEnd]

and, if you mention PokerStars payouts to a Grosvenor cardroom manager, they look at you as if you are completely barmy!

I know, I've done it


to repeat the Luton payout structures are far flatter than they used to be. Not perfect, still some things I would like to see different, but a lot better than as recent as a year ago

[turny]

can you NOT tamper with the hand driers in the gents though, i always take my wet laundry into the casino and dry them under the jet engines

Hold up, let's get this right. There is something in G-Luton which is good? Careful Kev, you'll get lynched saying such things.

I must confess, I do find those hand-dryers bloody annoying - they are so frigging loud!

always reminds me of that classic scene in phoenix nights when brian is telling jerry a story in the gents about hs exploits with the opposite sex, using all sorts of hand movements to tell his story whilst the hand dryer is booming away.
as the dryer stops brian finishes the last line of the story and his final words are "covered in piss"

absolute classic  

for those of you who have never watched phoenix nights or just dont get it im sorry lol

[Ironside]

dont f&ing tell them they are pokerstars payouts


live cardroom managers want a headline sum for paying out so it attracts people who dont understand the concept of bankroll

and are more inclined to gamble

after cashing the throw 50% away on the magic wheel of doom


"wow for £100 i could win £5000" sounds better than £3000

[Slick Kid]

I bet we can remove some of these little niggles.

Personally, I can live with them, as they are minor irritants in the grand scheme of things.

Tikay, what exactly is the Grand scheme of things at Luton. From what l witnessed it did not involve a poker friendly/focused environment. You say that you are tolerant to these little things, but surely you are seen as an Ambassador for Poker Players by many of these casinos brought about by your television time, blonde etc. Is this not a bad thing, as your actions or words are inadvertently informing these people that things aren't to bad and can be easily rectified. I think it will take a lot longer than 1 month to change the direction Luton is going, which is why l will take you up on your £50 bet. Will be at dtd on Thursday, put it on deposit at cash desk if allowed. Who will judge the changes?

[snoopy1239]

For what it's worth, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about at Luton. True, they don't seem to be focusing their attentions on the cardroom, but why should they, they're a business, not a charity that has to cater for the poker community. There is a Stanley down the road and plenty of other venues in London, so if the players don't like it, they can speak with their feet. If this affects their business, then I'm sure Luton will make the changes, but just voicing your complaints on a forum rather than taking a more constructive approach and 'walking the walk', as tikay says, won't make much of a difference.

Snoops, with all respect that is a pretty daft post.

Why would a business spend fortunes creating a class casino and poker room and then not do its best to provide good service and then say'If you dont like it go somewhere else'

Of course they are a business and not a charity that caters to the poker community, why would any sane business not cater for its clientele? Why open up a  grand poker room and not staff it properly? Why open up a poker room and not have sensible payout structures? Why open up a poker room and let it just rot away without trying to put things right?

These things are not 'catering for the poker community', they are basic good sense business procedures yet you indicate that players should just put up with it or go somewhere else.

Reading between the lines  most people are frustrated more than angry because it could be the best but isnt even trying to be good.

As for making changes if it is affecting their business, it clearly has affected it and they clearly havent done anything about it and your last line about voicing complaints on a forum and not doing owt about it is in my view a very strange thing for someone so closely connected to a greeat forum to say, that IS what forums are for, we are supposed to discuss poker things here, good and bad.

My point is that you have to be active in your protests not just write about on it on a forum. As tikay said, only two people have actually approached the powers that be to voice their concerns. If people bombard the place with actual complaints, then maybe they'll be more likely to do something about it. Why doesn't someone print this out and hand it to Carmel, or even send it to a big wig? Maybe everyone could write a letter to the powers that be. You have to make some noise, surely? It seems silly to me that we can say how much we dislike a level of service and then keep on turning up.

Looking at the numbers of their daily comps, they seem to be relatively well attended, and I assume the house games are raking it in, so don't be surprised if they don't suddenly spark into action when they receive few complaints, get decent numbers and continue to thicken the wallet of Mr Grosvenor. In fact, the last time I was there they had reached full capacity and there was a long queue waiting outside.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the poker community don't bring too much income for the casino when compared to the house game clientelle. With the clubs and pubs nearby, it would seem that this is the market that Luton have decided to focus their attentions on, and, as a result, the cardroom has suffered. However, as much as I dislike it, if this is making them money, then it's hard to criticise because at the end of the day they are business, and making money is their priority.

The Beagle ducks in advance. 

[Slick Kid]

Posted by Snoops
[/quote]Correct me if I'm wrong, but the poker community don't bring too much income for the casino [/quote]

Would have to disagree mate, lots of poker players drop a chunk at the tables and these festivals are what brings in the fillet beef of punters. Why else do you think they run them Snoops, for the benifit of us poor poker players!

[bobby1]

For what it's worth, I'm not sure what all the fuss is about at Luton. True, they don't seem to be focusing their attentions on the cardroom, but why should they, they're a business, not a charity that has to cater for the poker community. There is a Stanley down the road and plenty of other venues in London, so if the players don't like it, they can speak with their feet. If this affects their business, then I'm sure Luton will make the changes, but just voicing your complaints on a forum rather than taking a more constructive approach and 'walking the walk', as tikay says, won't make much of a difference.

Snoops, with all respect that is a pretty daft post.

Why would a business spend fortunes creating a class casino and poker room and then not do its best to provide good service and then say'If you dont like it go somewhere else'

Of course they are a business and not a charity that caters to the poker community, why would any sane business not cater for its clientele? Why open up a  grand poker room and not staff it properly? Why open up a poker room and not have sensible payout structures? Why open up a poker room and let it just rot away without trying to put things right?

These things are not 'catering for the poker community', they are basic good sense business procedures yet you indicate that players should just put up with it or go somewhere else.

Reading between the lines  most people are frustrated more than angry because it could be the best but isnt even trying to be good.

As for making changes if it is affecting their business, it clearly has affected it and they clearly havent done anything about it and your last line about voicing complaints on a forum and not doing owt about it is in my view a very strange thing for someone so closely connected to a greeat forum to say, that IS what forums are for, we are supposed to discuss poker things here, good and bad.

My point is that you have to be active in your protests not just write about on it on a forum. As tikay said, only two people have actually approached the powers that be to voice their concerns. If people bombard the place with actual complaints, then maybe they'll be more likely to do something about it. Why doesn't someone print this out and hand it to Carmel, or even send it to a big wig? Maybe everyone could write a letter to the powers that be. You have to make some noise, surely? It seems silly to me that we can say how much we dislike a level of service and then keep on turning up.

Looking at the numbers of their daily comps, they seem to be relatively well attended, and I assume the house games are raking it in, so don't be surprised if they don't suddenly spark into action when they receive few complaints, get decent numbers and continue to thicken the wallet of Mr Grosvenor. In fact, the last time I was there they had reached full capacity and there was a long queue waiting outside.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the poker community don't bring too much income for the casino when compared to the house game clientele. With the clubs and pubs nearby, it would seem that this is the market that Luton have decided to focus their attentions on, and, as a result, the cardroom has suffered. However, as much as I dislike it, if this is making them money, then it's hard to criticise because at the end of the day they are business, and making money is their priority.

Some good points for sure.

The be all and end all for that Casino is to increase turnover on the table games, whether we like it or not. To do that they should be trying to attract people through the door for ALL their offerings, for every person that eats in the casino a % will play the tables, so you would expect them to make the restaurant attractive to eat in and provide good service.

The poker room will make good money from cash tables  IF the cash games play on a regular basis, by having such poor service and structure they are harming the take from these cash games because less players are playing, so less players equals less rake and just as important less players equals less potential roulette and blackjack players. So having a badly run poker room directly harms the table game take. Payout structures should be flatter on the principal that you want the money spread a little thinner, more people make a little more, more people have a little more to spend on table games and the cash games and all future games.

Its a kinda never ending circle, but the one driving factor is the people coming thru the door have to be catered for and above all enjoy it, by having the poker room badly run they are shooting themselves in the foot on all fronts.