would we want the americans back?

[totalise]

I was reading a thread on 2p2 a while ago from Greenstein about how they think in 6 months or so, online poker would be legal in America, and it got me to thinking, from a player perspective, would you want non-US sites to be open to american players again, if it is indeed made legal to play online poker in America

thoughts?

[Colchester Kev]

only if observer chat is allowed so i can tilt them up for flushy

[TightEnd]

Yes please

more recreational players from Us would be most welcome again


As a vast generalisation, I think games on the predominantly major sites are tougher without then

[totalise]

Yes please

more recreational players from Us would be most welcome again


As a vast generalisation, I think games on the predominantly major sites are tougher without then

yeah, but the cons are you get legions of 12 tabling neo-bots infiltrating your games.... its no coincidence that the toughest games are at FTP/stars and UB. The influx of money would be welcome to the economy, but I wonder at what cost it would be at, especially if we can get the asian economy involved in online poker more predominantly.

my initial reaction would be no, although admittedly I've got next to nothing to back it up

[kinboshi]

I think the lower level cash games were easier with a lot of yanks on the sites - just because there were a lot more 'noobs' coming through on the conveyor belt. 

[Ironside]

the toughest games at present are the ones that allow the americans cause the ones that are playing are serious players

what we want is the fish coming back

the ones that havent looked into ways round getting money in and out of poker sites

[totalise]

the toughest games at present are the ones that allow the americans cause the ones that are playing are serious players

what we want is the fish coming back

the ones that havent looked into ways round getting money in and out of poker sites

so I guess will the influx of "fish" money be bigger then the amount of money the hudbots will scalp from the games. I'd suspect not, given how many tables run these days. Back in the golden days of party when 1/2 was the highest NL, there was maybe 5 or 6 tables running, but if you look at the typical sites these days, theres 30 50/1 games, 40 1/2 games running, and thats on one site... do that at least 7 ways, and its a lot harder to get hold of the "fish" money then it was before.

[Longy]

No among many other misconceptions in poker, there is some idea that americans are bad at poker compared to other countries. The poker boom started in the US and the market has matured before other countries. As conquence US player are that bit further ahead in the learning curve compared to other countries.

You only have to go into the 2p2 strategy forums, in my case SSNL (small stakes no limit) and they are describing table where if the 35/10 playing they are chasing him from table to table as he is the fish in that game. 35/10 is the average vpip/pfr is the NL100 games im playing. No i don't want to get in discussion about preflop tendancies in cash game but a solid preflop strategy is the foundation for a strong postflop game.

What im hoping is that poker will increase in popularity in growth areas like Russia,Asia etc and we got schools of fish from there, UIGEA in fact wasn't a bad thing at all for European players in retrospect, you just don't play on stars or full tilt.

[snoopy1239]

I was reading a thread on 2p2 a while ago from Greenstein about how they think in 6 months or so, online poker would be legal in America, and it got me to thinking, from a player perspective, would you want non-US sites to be open to american players again, if it is indeed made legal to play online poker in America

thoughts?

[JungleCat03]

Definitely!

A huge % of fish were taken out of the game due to the ban and left the cream of american players who are good still playing.

Plus also americans are by far the most entertaining nation in the chat boxes.

I don't play much NL cash though so maybe this is more applicable to MTTs.

I'd have thought that most american multitablers pre-ban are still playing now though.

No among many other misconceptions in poker, there is some idea that americans are bad at poker compared to other countries. The poker boom started in the US and the market has matured before other countries. As conquence US player are that bit further ahead in the learning curve compared to other countries.

You only have to go into the 2p2 strategy forums, in my case SSNL (small stakes no limit) and they are describing table where if the 35/10 playing they are chasing him from table to table as he is the fish in that game. 35/10 is the average vpip/pfr is the NL100 games im playing. No i don't want to get in discussion about preflop tendancies in cash game but a solid preflop strategy is the foundation for a strong postflop game.

I know what you are saying but the ban hit casual/ part time and new american players numbers much harder than the professional player numbers. 2+2 is in no way a representative cross section of the american playing populace.

What im hoping is that poker will increase in popularity in growth areas like Russia,Asia etc and we got schools of fish from there

I agree with this.

[kinboshi]

No among many other misconceptions in poker, there is some idea that americans are bad at poker compared to other countries. The poker boom started in the US and the market has matured before other countries. As conquence US player are that bit further ahead in the learning curve compared to other countries.

I don't think anyone on here is saying that the Americans are worse players in general - just that they account for a large number of players.  Amongst them will be decent players, average players, and below-average players.  With any group - there'll be more of the weaker players, and they are more than welcome.

It's probably fair to say that the US has a large number of decent players.  Thankfully, at the levels I play there are a lot of poor players.

[totalise]

as an addenum, how do you think your opinion would differ if you played 10/20...25/50 compared to the lower stakes?

on the one hand, you would think its unlikely for the money to filter up because theres so many hudbots that will gobble up the money, but on the other theres the dream that these hudbots that dont really think about the game will increase their winrate so much they would take shots and get crushed by players higher up, so they are effectively transporting the money up the ladder to the sharks. from what ive seen, a lot of the kids these days dont care about moving up, they can stay at 1/2, make 5k or so a month, and have no intentions of trying to break higher levels.

[Grier78]

As far as I am concerned the more players the better whereever they come from, I still find it hard on some sites to get a good choice of cash games to play during some hours of the day.

[Gryff]

The "good" online US players are still there, they have circumvented restrictions and are still playing.

You'll see a small increase in grinders post-banlift and a large increase in fish, so generally good all round.

[Laxie]

 

Work away lads...they're all fish.