Am I doing something wrong?

[GlasgowBandit]

A mate of mine though seems to be totally different, he seems to easily accumulate chips early but once the bubble bursts seems to become super tight and passive and I think this seems to stop him making bigger cashes than what he does, we have toyed with the idea of splitting the buy in for a few online tourneys and him playing the early stages upto the 2nd break when he has ammassed a stack with me taking over when its time to go after the money, not sure what purpose this serves other than us accumulating some money.

I would be very careful, a lot of sites have banned this.

We'd play from the same location mate   Thought about the prospect of playing from our own houses but would just be our luck that if we took down a decent prize we'd be turned over.

[doubleup]

P.S. Shoving A7 there is so massively correct.

You might well be right, but as you don't know the payout structure, average chips etc, you are guessing.

I have yet to see a large field tournament where pushing 9BB from SB to BB on the bubble with a good hand is not correct, so unless its a truly bizarre comp the other details are not needed.

I was more thinking about where you could be virtually certain to make the money.  Lets say your tournament equity is $50.  Making this push increases it to $57 lets say.  Not making it guarantees $25 plus say $40 in equity from the remaining prize fund.  Is this flawed logic?

 

[Jon MW]

P.S. Shoving A7 there is so massively correct.

You might well be right, but as you don't know the payout structure, average chips etc, you are guessing.

I have yet to see a large field tournament where pushing 9BB from SB to BB on the bubble with a good hand is not correct, so unless its a truly bizarre comp the other details are not needed.

Funnily enough, my first thought was that the shove was obviously correct, but when others started voicing the opposing opinion I lacked the courage of my conviction to state it.

It's true that this has meant that there have been a number of tournaments where I have ended up bubbling when I could have limped into the money, but there have also been tournaments where I've doubled up and achieved a high finish with the extra chips available to me. In a single tournament it might make you worse off, but over the long term it has to be more profitable.

[Jon MW]

P.S. Shoving A7 there is so massively correct.

You might well be right, but as you don't know the payout structure, average chips etc, you are guessing.

I have yet to see a large field tournament where pushing 9BB from SB to BB on the bubble with a good hand is not correct, so unless its a truly bizarre comp the other details are not needed.

I was more thinking about where you could be virtually certain to make the money.  ...

 

I don't think that you could ever be virtually certain to make the money - a couple of short stacks doubling up whilst you've been blinding away your stack, and suddenly you're the short stack.

If you had a large enough stack that this wouldn't make you the short stack then you should be attacking to pick up extra chips on the bubble.

I don't see any combination of events where blinding away, hoping to limp into the money is the right option (in a standard freezeout, in exceptional circumstances, maybe).

[Longy]

Regarding the a7 push, it really is payout structure dependent and on review im starting to think its probably a marginally +ev push but really does depend on ranges/payout structures.

Fwiw its a marginal push on a sng bubble 9bb's deep from the sb.

[MKKfish]

hmmmmm...well back in the day Flushy I carried your ass on the 70/30 we used to have so gonna stick my fourpenneth worth in here..

This is not a simple "I'm in it to win it not just scrape thru to the money" scenario.

Firstly if the BB is chipped up I pass..Secondly if the BB is short stacked...I er...pass, (he's not really a dog with any two cards). We are in exactly the optimum position to make the pass in fact - it's the bubble and the blinds have just passed us so we now have a complete round to (a) let someone else bubble and/or (b) wake up with a hand we really want to be all-in here.

What do you want with your shove...a call or a fold?.. A call...well you aint all that so I guess not...A fold...hmmm what have you achieved...

The short stack any Ax shove undoes more MTT players than you can poke a stick at.

[brummieboy]

Flea, as you did quite well at the Cardiff Blonde bash I think you should go back to the pre tournament tactics you used there of getting severely p1ssed and falling over in the street.

I'm sure it will help your game.

No need to thank me.

[kinboshi]

Flea, as you did quite well at the Cardiff Blonde bash I think you should go back to the pre tournament tactics you used there of getting severely p1ssed and falling over in the street.

I'm sure it will help your game.

No need to thank me.

[TheChipPrince]

What do you want with your shove...a call or a fold?.. A call...well you aint all that so I guess not...A fold...hmmm what have you achieved...

Added 20% to your stack, but other than that some good points...

[doubleup]

P.S. Shoving A7 there is so massively correct.

You might well be right, but as you don't know the payout structure, average chips etc, you are guessing.

I have yet to see a large field tournament where pushing 9BB from SB to BB on the bubble with a good hand is not correct, so unless its a truly bizarre comp the other details are not needed.

I was more thinking about where you could be virtually certain to make the money.  ...

 

I don't think that you could ever be virtually certain to make the money - a couple of short stacks doubling up whilst you've been blinding away your stack, and suddenly you're the short stack.

hmmm there are 9 or 10 tables on the go - unless this is a very well structured tournament it's likely that several stacks are past life support and there is a good chance of a big hand vs big hand clash from larger stacks.  What about the same situation in the Sunday Million bubble - would you agree that you were virtually guaranteed to be itm there?  Anyway my question was about the maths of calculating equity around the bubble i.e. is it right to compare the equity in the way I suggested.

[Flea]

Flea, as you did quite well at the Cardiff Blonde bash I think you should go back to the pre tournament tactics you used there of getting severely p1ssed and falling over in the street.

I'm sure it will help your game.

No need to thank me.

hmm I bubbled there aswell.

I'm quite good at bubbling   

[Flea]

Thanks for all the advice though - much appreciated.

Like I said it wasn't particularly this hand I was worried about more the style to adopt when near the bubble and attitude to take - especially when going through a bad run.

I know I'm not a very good player but I would like to improve my game and in particular reading of other players and/or situations (which is undoubtedly my greatest failing).