To Call Or Not, That is the Question?

[GlasgowBandit]

I playing 50c/$1 PLO on Blonde sitting with around $230, after a part loosing session earlier I am now slightly in front.  Happy with the table 3 of the players I am pretty comfortable with and I feel I am comfortably outplaying them post flop.  So in order to maximise potential winnings I am making lost of small pre flop raises following through with a c/ bet if I am hitting and check calling any big drawing hands for me. 

I know where I am in the majority of hands, however one particular hand had been slightly confused.  Not sure if I was attracted to the hand because it looked pretty in the SB with T 7 8 9 all spades after everyone limps I make t $4 hoping to thin the field down, but this doesnt appear to happen and everyone callstill it comes to C/O who decides to pot now. 

button now folds and its back on me its £28 to go I think or round about all stacks pretty similar apart from C/O who has about $80 sat in front of him.

I haven't paid much attention to c/o and tbh I am not sure if he has been at the table that long because I have been tangling with 3 foes pretty much and really been tuned into them.

Now I think if I call and its a blank flop then I am playing for all his chips the way he has potted, I think also if the flop skelps me in the mouth I can check it to him and let him do the betting it strikes me as AAXX or KKXX more often than not when there has been some pot building and then a pot bet from either c/o or button.

Pass or fold?

[Royal Flush]

Pass or fold?

Call....

[GlasgowBandit]

Pass or fold?

Call....

Thats what i meant!

[doubleup]

I don't like this position much.  You are prob about a 6/4 chance so reraising isn't right as there isn't quite enough dead money in the pot.  Calling would be ok if you were last to act, but you are pretty much signalling your hand and an astute opponent would be able to reraise after you, knowing that there is now enough dead money to make this a worthwhile play.  Obviously you cant let him away with this - so you might end up in a multiway preflop allin gamblefest.  Presumably it is this prospect that has the flushy one salivating.

[Flea]

Personally I'd rather have 7 8 of one suit and 9 10 of another, having them all 1 suit cuts down your possibilities of the flush (and makes it really unlikely you'll get a straight flush - unless you're playing in Hollywood) so given the players behind I'd probably fold as you could end up being over-committed and dominated if not careful.

[GlasgowBandit]

I decided the call was the best option, I didn't want to RR out of position but the thought had crossed my mind.  I thought that he may well have been at it but with 1/4 of his stack already in there I can't see him passing if i re-pop.  I am hoping that he misses the flop and I can either check raise if I hit it or have a stab at a random board and get him off it on the flop.

Anyway as the hand plays out the board came down:

  I bet hald the pot and he pushed for what he had left $58 I think it was I insta call he shows As turn is a and the inevitable on the river. 

In hindsight I think I should get away from this preflop - I never knew the oppo - and as I said I wasn't paying him much attention so I think I may have underestimated him.  I don't think it matters what happens pre flop i think all his chips are in on that flop anyway. top set nf draw the afct I made my straight and got rivered was a sore one.

After that hand I tangled with matey a few times as he was also playing a $1/$2 table I was on - I swear he was stalking me.

The hand I really want opinions on is the next hand, I dunno what to make of it tbh not sure if I played it terribly bad or if matey was a moron.  I am thinking moron.

$1/2 table 5 handed.

Stacks

SB - $227 - TAG
BB - $203 (hero) Playing TAG mostly but been making a ew stabs at various pots.
UTG $180  LAG
C/O $150 (moron) LAG
BUT $$141 SUPER LAG!!  been up and down like a yoyo

So we have 3 limpers and SB makes up.   

Not the best starting hand but I have been getting some respect anytime I have raised any showdowns I have been involved in I have been in front when the money has gone in.  If re-raised with no draw I have been giving up fairly easily.

I make it $6 to and get a caller from moron flop comes 4 5 J rainbowso flopped TP and open ender - fairly safe board I think not much to worry about unless he had made bottom set or the like.  I think if he is holding JJXX + pf then he is raising me he has shown previously that any A is good for him to raise.
On the flop I check call his bet of $14 on the T turn bringing two clubs on board I check raise his $20 bet and make it $55 to he calls - my mind is doing overtime trying to put him on a hand, I don't think he has a draw as he has shown previously that he bets these heavily.  at best I am putting him on a low set.  and on the river I decide to lead out for $70 deciding this is the only way I can take the pot down, the Q is obviously a danger card to him especially if he has no clubs in his hand and hasn't played some cack like K9XX or AJXX my line of though is that he still has at best bottom set now given the fact that I have c/raised him and then led out on the river I think this looks like quite a strong play.  he lets the clock run down and eventually calls and shows 9954 no club for two pair. 

Thoughts on how i played this hand please? 

My initial thoughts are I played it quite strongly, I don't understand the call preflop tbh i dunno what sort of flop he is trying to hit, and then after the flop I 'm not sure what he thinks I he is beating.  Have I been outplayed here or have I just been lucked out on by a mug who couldn't pass bottom 2 pair?

[Tragic]

Stack it pre.

[Tragic]

Wow i'm so sorry I just played this from the point of a DS T987. Don't play that rubbish!

[doubleup]

Have I been outplayed here or have I just been lucked out on by a mug who couldn't pass bottom 2 pair?

Hmmmm dunno seems an odd call.  The only thought I can put him on is that you are repping a made hand on the turn and then still betting on a scare card on the river, but he's got to do his money eventually if he doesn't think ppl have made hands plus outs.

[Tragic]

Btw if this hand was DS i would shove and isolate dead money and shorty. Ur hand is prob a bit too bad for that here but it's still a possibility, as it is I would never make the raise you did as it is i suppose you have to call now .

[boldie]

the first one..yeah it's a fold pre for me but mainly because he only has 80$..if you call pre and flop what you flop it's an easy call.

Hand 2..I just don't get it..you have put this guy on tilt and you think he is stalking you..what on earth made you think he would lay down a hand to you? He is quite obviously gonna spite-call you if he has anything. You can't bluff into someone who does that.

[Tragic]

Hand two I think you played poorly, if you are gonna raise and hit that kind of flop you want to c-bet to find out where you are, in this case it achieves the same against a tilt player as the check raise, but more cheaply. Bet 6$ into the pot and see what he does, if you get raised it will be cheaper than ur C/R anyway and you can then call if you like. Then i'm afraid when the turn peels it's a C/F. Ur probably gonna get his money at some point anyway. Sure he's a mug who can't fold bottom 2, but sounds like you knew that before the hand started, so don't try and make him fold it! When you do have a hand and he has bottom 2 it's happy days!


As an afterthought, is there a heart on the flop? What's the equity like when getting it all in here on the flop?

[Royal Flush]

Hand two I think you played poorly, if you are gonna raise and hit that kind of flop you want to c-bet to find out where you are

Eh? He has a wrap, what good does 'finding where you are' do?

[Tragic]

Ok perhaps that's the wrong way to put it I agree, but I think check raising rules out the possibility he is bluffing here when he calls, and makes the turn pretty tough to play. Betting out gives him the chance to tilt reraise with nothing, so I prefer the bet - 3bet approach vs this player where we always have outs if he lucked out a real hand. If he flat calls the turn is easier to play cause the pot is small, so er, yeah. I still think this was a bad way to play the hand. Even if there wasn't much point in chucking in the find out where u are thing . Pretty sure we are happy to get it in here vs his holding?

[Royal Flush]

Yeah i bet/3bet, the find out where we are just put me on tilt.