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« on: December 24, 2007, 04:46:36 PM »

2-4 NL full ring

You UTG with $425 and , limping/set hitting

button $550 24/12  raises to $12

you call behind

Heads up to the flop

$30 in

  two spades

you bet $15, weak lead

he makes it $45, as hoped


what is your standard line and why?



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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2007, 04:48:34 PM »

Call and check raise the turn, gets more money in if he is bluffing, gets him more committed to the hand with an overpair.


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« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2007, 04:50:47 PM »

I think I call then check raise the turn unless we hit a FH.  I'm not a fan on giving draws in situations like this and would like to take the post reasonably quickly.

Damn, Flushy posted the same!  Perhaps I'm finally on the right road to somewhere Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2007, 04:51:23 PM »

ship it all in and make him pay for his flush draw.
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« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2007, 04:52:09 PM »

I'm not a fan on giving draws in situations like this and would like to take the post reasonably quickly.




you are giving a draw to hearts by flat calling here, no 3 bet of the flop?

(ps no bad beat alert!!, no heart on the turn!!)
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« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2007, 04:53:14 PM »

Call and check raise the turn, gets more money in if he is bluffing, gets him more committed to the hand with an overpair.





BEt big showing utter commitment, possibly overbet pot. Too many scare cards on turn shut down action on turn, eg he has QQ and AK/diamond rolls off. You bet and keep betting and hope he cant fold. If villain knows you well obv mix up your lines with craises, flat calling but i got for the bet bet bet option all day long.  Also why limp utg w 77 btw?
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2007, 04:53:52 PM »

I think I call then check raise the turn unless we hit a FH.  I'm not a fan on giving draws in situations like this and would like to take the post reasonably quickly.

Damn, Flushy posted the same!  Perhaps I'm finally on the right road to somewhere Cheesy


For diff reasons though......

You allude to defensive play, i am not worried about a draw in the coup, other than it killing my action.


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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2007, 04:54:41 PM »

Also why limp utg w 77 btw?


full ring, not raising with 77 utg too often, limp and see...


and have yourself a passive nittish Xmas.............
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2007, 04:57:48 PM »

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Also why limp utg w 77 btw?


full ring, not raising with 77 utg too often, limp and see...


and have yourself a passive nittish Xmas.............

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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2007, 05:06:02 PM »

they're diamonds aren't they? 
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2007, 05:07:15 PM »

I think I call then check raise the turn unless we hit a FH.  I'm not a fan on giving draws in situations like this and would like to take the post reasonably quickly.

Damn, Flushy posted the same!  Perhaps I'm finally on the right road to somewhere Cheesy


For diff reasons though......

You allude to defensive play, i am not worried about a draw in the coup, other than it killing my action.

Good point.  I generally get concerned with draws out there, I guess I shouldn't be to worried.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2007, 05:22:40 PM »

I think 3 betting the flop stinks of either overpair/set and unless he has AA/KK then I think that by betting it we kill our action.  I call the raise and check raise the turn.  Would FD re-raise in this spot?  Normally I call with my draw hoping to hit it cheaply and then jam any bet on  the turn if we hit. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2007, 06:46:50 PM »

I always used to get excited and ship in here..and lose my customer..or get scared about the draw out there and ship them in ..to lose my customer..took me a long time to understand what a big mistake that was. (and sometimes I still make it..but mainly in tourneys)  call and check raise the turn is by far the best play here
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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2007, 07:39:35 PM »

Play it exactly the same as you would a FD. 
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2007, 07:48:23 PM »

I like the call here and a check raise on the turn unless the diamoind drops, if the diamoind drops I am gonna lead out, if he isnt flushing he shouldnt be raising then, so if he does raise I am pretty confident he has flushed up. What I do then depends on what price he is giving me to house up on the end.
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