PLO Sickness but what am i beating!

[Tragic]

This will probably look utterly ridiculous but this is the second time I've had this and I keep realizing the chances of him having anything else are almost 0. This guy is a nit and does not play AA like this. Ever.

Game #4723441563: Omaha PL ($2.50/$5) - 2007/12/23 - 23:23:19 (UK)
Table "SamiAlJaber" Seat 6 is the button.
Seat 1: KP-Angelo ($1502.79 in chips)
Seat 2: Sojurn ($1068.15 in chips)
Seat 3: WhoDaMan ($323.25 in chips)
Seat 4: hendricks ($550.83 in chips)
Seat 5: Yamoto ($382.25 in chips)
Seat 6: ULSRYGLGG ($572 in chips)
KP-Angelo: posts small blind $2.50
Sojurn: posts big blind $5
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Sojurn [       ]
WhoDaMan: folds
hendricks: calls $5
Yamoto: folds
ULSRYGLGG: calls $5
KP-Angelo: folds
Sojurn: checks
----- FLOP ----- [     ]
Sojurn: bets $10
hendricks: raises to $47.50
ULSRYGLGG: folds
Sojurn: calls $37.50
----- TURN ----- [ ][ ]
Sojurn: checks
hendricks: checks
----- RIVER ----- [ ][ ]
Sojurn: bets $70
hendricks: raises to $322.50
Sojurn: raises to $1015.65 and is all-in
hendricks: is all-in $175.83
Returned uncalled bets $517.32 to Sojurn
----- SHOW DOWN -----
Sojurn: shows [ Ah ] (A Full House, Jacks full of Nines)
hendricks: shows [ ] (Four of a kind, Nines, Ace high)
hendricks collected $1106.16 from Main pot
----- SUMMARY -----
Total pot $1109.16 Main pot $1106.16 Rake $3
Board [ As]
Seat 1: KP-Angelo (small blind) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Sojurn (big blind) showed [ Ah ] and lost with A Full House, Jacks full of Nines
Seat 3: WhoDaMan folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: hendricks showed [ ] and won ($1106.16) with Four of a kind, Nines, Ace high
Seat 5: Yamoto folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ULSRYGLGG (button) folded on the Flop

I rule out AA from his range and this is why I feel I have to push, but I really really couldn't see him doing this without quads. And as such I am pushing expecting to lose. This is baaaaaaaaad right? Flat call? Do you think you can ever be good enough to lay this down if you don't put him on AA, I mean instint is screaming at me to fold. Head says look just push it's a cold deck. Also does the rest of my line suck hard?

[Royal Flush]

Not 3 betting the flop is so bad, i don't even think i can finish this po....

[Tragic]

I appreciate that and have no explanation for why I didn't. How deep do you have to be before you just stack top set when it's the nuts on the flop anyway. As played is there anything I can do his hand is so obvious.

[ACE2M]

Not potting again on the flop is criminal, criminal, criminal, exactly what you want to happen just has and you flat call on a drawtastic board. I was going to try to analyze the rest of the hand but it's pointless, you could have saved yourself a little by just calling on the end against the obvious better hand.

[Royal Flush]

The way you have played i prob jam the river as well, he is more likley to hold A9xx diamonds than AAxx or quads.

I appreciate that and have no explanation for why I didn't. How deep do you have to be before you just stack top set when it's the nuts on the flop anyway. As played is there anything I can do his hand is so obvious.

Just keep firing, you want to get the money in vs draws here, if the board pairs on the turn you get nothing, if the draw completes on the turn you scare of the real action hands of 2nd/3rd set.

[Tragic]

I guess it's a confidence issue when you call to see a turn so you feel safer rather than making the correct play, I am aware I should be doing that and I guess that ruins any analysis of the rest of the hand. What I meant with the top set question. Say we both have $3k stacks at 2/5, I have bare top set, he continues to go crazy, and there is a full wrap + FD on. Do we ever call to see a turn or is it just not worth it?

[ACE2M]

I guess it's a confidence issue when you call to see a turn so you feel safer rather than making the correct play, I am aware I should be doing that and I guess that ruins any analysis of the rest of the hand. What I meant with the top set question. Say we both have $3k stacks at 2/5, I have bare top set, he continues to go crazy, and there is a full wrap + FD on. Do we ever call to see a turn or is it just not worth it?

no, always re raise as much as possible with top set when it is the current nuts on the flop. anything else is bad play (for occasional deception is ok against an aggro opponent). You are either strong fav, small fav or coin flipping, get your money in now, you make no mistakes now, the mistake can only be his.

This is classic plo, charge them as much as possible and sometimes be a huge fav over undersets that don't beleive.

In the example of deep stacks you mention it is still correct and you can make a judgement on the turn if a draw completes, but you still must charge the max for them to get there, they will fairly often and you will play better and save money when they do.


can't remember exact numbers but top set with no extras whatsoever is never in horrible shape, and never ever consider stacking top set if it is current nuts, ever. When they get there take it on the chin, thats the evil bitch that is plo.

[Graham C]

With regards to betting top set on the flop, do you bet in to it if the board is paired and you happen to have a set like that.  For example

Holding

     (just for example)

and the board comes

 

would you bet in here?  I've come across this situation 3 times today and twice I've been beaten by someone holding a better kicker than me with their '9' and I won the other one.  Just wondering what the best way to play in this situation is.

[Royal Flush]

With regards to betting top set on the flop, do you bet in to it if the board is paired and you happen to have a set like that.  For example

Holding

     (just for example)

and the board comes

 

would you bet in here?  I've come across this situation 3 times today and twice I've been beaten by someone holding a better kicker than me with their '9' and I won the other one.  Just wondering what the best way to play in this situation is.

Check call try to outdraw.

[Graham C]

lovely thanks

[ACE2M]

With regards to betting top set on the flop, do you bet in to it if the board is paired and you happen to have a set like that.  For example

Holding

     (just for example)

and the board comes

 

would you bet in here?  I've come across this situation 3 times today and twice I've been beaten by someone holding a better kicker than me with their '9' and I won the other one.  Just wondering what the best way to play in this situation is.

In a raised pot look to c/r or re raise
If you get re poped and don't hold an ace you're almost certainly behind (especially if its not the original raiser) and you should call if you have overs to the unpaired card, but show definate consideration to dumping it if not especially against solid oppos.
If your first in in an unraised pot you should raise (imo) and determine your next move on the action you face.
You must drop it if getting to the river and still facing very stiff action, calling these down used to be one of my biggest losers.

Deepstacked oop i don't mind flushys line at all.

 

[Graham C]

Cool thanks, will take that on board.

[steeveg]

With regards to betting top set on the flop, do you bet in to it if the board is paired and you happen to have a set like that.  For example

Holding

     (just for example)

and the board comes

 

would you bet in here?  I've come across this situation 3 times today and twice I've been beaten by someone holding a better kicker than me with their '9' and I won the other one.  Just wondering what the best way to play in this situation is.

Check call try to outdraw.

i know its only an example,i assume your in bb and everyones limped,its not really a hand i would call with p/f ,i am still learning to play better omaha myself so dont trust my advice, just wondering if i am right, ,its very rare i check flop with trips, your never that far ahead in omaha so find out where you are , your first to act, i bet half the pot ,i call any small re raise and hope to hit full house and get everything in on the turn,if i dont hit the turn and no flush card came,i make a half to pot bet if i am re raised it all depends if i have notes on the players telling me they overplay a lot of hands or i think they are poor players,if notes tell me they never re raise without a very strong hand i would fold to pot size re raise after the flop

[AlexMartin]

Yuk. 22/A9 only hands ur beating? And does he play it that strong? Can someone make a good argument for folding after he checks turn and raises river?