Delicately dissing dtd

[Tractor]

Why should the value of the buy in mean that the structure/starting stack is different if both are 2 day events. The argument that you are paying more so expect better is irrelevant in this case since everything you pay less the juice is going into the prize pool and when you enter the tournament you have a rough idea of number of runners and therefore know roughly what the prize fund will be. The analogy between a Volvo and a Bentley is totally irrelevant in the case of 2 different staked poker tournaments both being over a 2 day period. Its totally elitist to state that a main event of a festival designed to be played out over 2 days should have a different starting stack and structure to an earlier smaller stake 2 day event.
Like loads have already said on this thread not everyone can afford the large entry cost of playing main events but if card rooms are prepared to allocate 2 days for a smaller entry tournament there is definitely no reason to give them less starting chips and to miss out levels that would be there for a similar 2 day main event.

Thats exactly right, if its a two day event.
I personally would prefer an earlier start time and get it done in a full day if possible, to keep expenses down.
I really can not understand why weekend tournies can not start early afternoon.

[bobby1]

I think it say bundles about how far DTD has raised the bar when the best structures around are still open to change for the better. My view on this is it shouldnt matter if the event is 300/500/1500/15000 any two day event could have the same structure but that is up to the guy running the comp so I am sure if Simon changes it it will be the right decision.

On a seperate note if you were Paul Jackson last night would you have settled for a chip count that usually favours the bigger stacks or insisted on coming back today to finish the event?

Say it had been me with the shortstack with a hotel and travel booked for a Sunday return and adamant that I didnt want to deal as the shorty what would have happened?

cheers

[KarmaDope]

Say it had been me with the shortstack with a hotel and travel booked for a Sunday return and adamant that I didnt want to deal as the shorty what would have happened?

If you didn't agree, deal wouldn't have happened, end of. Those are the dtd rules.

[bobby1]

Say it had been me with the shortstack with a hotel and travel booked for a Sunday return and adamant that I didnt want to deal as the shorty what would have happened?

If you didn't agree, deal wouldn't have happened, end of. Those are the dtd rules.

That's fair enough but this is a pretty unique situation in that a two day comp could be finished in 1 day, Im assuming the pressure to deal would have been more than usual and wondered if Paul maybe thought oh balls to it coz he didnt want to hastle the remanining players. Tho  financially he might have been better of to play the comp to the end/or when he was in a spot to get a better deal. A as dtd man maybe his thinking was whatever is best for the other players/club, or maybe he is loaded and doesnt need the cash 

[neeko]

oops this suffers from tl/dr

Price V's value

A VW Golf = Skoda Octavia = Seat Leon, these 3 cars are in fact the same and are just dressed slightly differently, and have a different badge and price tag. Despite this the most expensive sells the most. You can use this example to prove that people don't want good value.

A structure is only as relevant as the players want to play, last night the players were racing along, and it was not the blinds that forced the play, but rather the aggressive nature of tournament professionals who wanted to knock each other out.

It would be great if one day DTD could offer 2 £50 events both starting at the same time - same structure,  same starting chips, one 20 mins and one 30 mins. Let the customers vote with their feet, quick or slow structure, and over 200 people per night will get to have a tournament - (only 15 more dealers needed  ).

Another detail of any event, is the ability of the TD to alter the structure, to deal with the number of runners, and the "lemming like" abilities of the players. There have been many comments about the changing of a structures after the event has started - either speeding it up or slowing it down. I would like to see an event (at any buy in) where the TD is given the ability to slow the mins, add a level or equally reduce either with the pre stated goal of ending at X am. To aid player visibility, say a venue decided to play a 30 mins comp for 9 hours then levels can be added or withdrawn (still with a 30 mins clock) to ensure this result. (with level changes communicated to players 15 mins before each change).

As to whether a Volvo is better than a Bentley, a Volvo VC90 is best for a family, a Bentley Continental GT is best for the golf course and a Lotus Exige would give me the biggest smile.

[turny]

who actually said a longer clock, more chips and more levels make for a better competition?

you can give to much, it kills the game we call poker and as someone said before you can pass your way to a win!

a good balance which allows patient play but also allows players to make moves is best imo.

[Longy]

Say it had been me with the shortstack with a hotel and travel booked for a Sunday return and adamant that I didnt want to deal as the shorty what would have happened?

If you didn't agree, deal wouldn't have happened, end of. Those are the dtd rules.

That's fair enough but this is a pretty unique situation in that a two day comp could be finished in 1 day, Im assuming the pressure to deal would have been more than usual and wondered if Paul maybe thought oh balls to it coz he didnt want to hastle the remanining players. Tho  financially he might have been better of to play the comp to the end/or when he was in a spot to get a better deal. A as dtd man maybe his thinking was whatever is best for the other players/club, or maybe he is loaded and doesnt need the cash 

I think DTD have the fairest way of mathematically sorting out a deal and is in line with realtive equity in the tourney. Generally deals from an EV tend to disadvantage the big stacks as well as they can use their stacks to increase their equity by pressurising the mediums stack who are trying to climb the payout structure. The middle stacks benefit most from the deals IMO.

[The Nomad]

Structures Bolloks heres a good one lets slow it dwn to 45 minj increases more play for everyone ,.........wrong I had built up my stack at the right time  so 6 players were under the cosh worstw

[Tractor]

Structures Bolloks heres a good one lets slow it dwn to 45 minj increases more play for everyone ,.........wrong I had built up my stack at the right time  so 6 players were under the cosh worstw

Were you on the final table?

[ariston]

who actually said a longer clock, more chips and more levels make for a better competition?

you can give to much, it kills the game we call poker and as someone said before you can pass your way to a win!

a good balance which allows patient play but also allows players to make moves is best imo.

the rocks say it obviously. I for one haven't been down to dtd yet but will be looking forward to visiting soon and playing whatever structure they have decided on. They could always go down the bellagio route and give us all 50k and a two hour clock allowing red and womble etc to fold every hand barring aces for 2 days str8 (dont forget the 75/150 and 150/300 levels as with only 50k in front of me to fold with I dont want to have to play any poker).

I always thought the best players adapted to whatever structure they were playing in (and no I dont mean me). Mickey sure didnt seem to mind the structure last night making another final table.

[Royal Flush]

So people who can't afford to play festival main events shouldn't get the chance to play that structure, even though time will allow it?

Eh?

If you can afford to play a £500 DTD event why would you not be able to afford a £500 ME?

I am at a loss to understand that.

I like the variety of being able to play a faster paced tournament for £500. If i want to play a 10k 1hr £500 event there are plenty all year, not many 7k 40/45 min events at 500 though.


Well done to DTD for giving the players what they want and breaking the casino monotony.

[ariston]

So people who can't afford to play festival main events shouldn't get the chance to play that structure, even though time will allow it?

Eh?

If you can afford to play a £500 dtd event why would you not be able to afford a £500 ME?

I am at a loss to understand that.

I like the variety of being able to play a faster paced tournament for £500. If i want to play a 10k 1hr £500 event there are plenty all year, not many 7k 40/45 min events at 500 though.


Well done to dtd for giving the players what they want and breaking the casino monotony.

dont make it too quick though, we dont want players having to lower their raising standards to queens do we
I like that fact that some players succeed in the faster events instead of waiting to see who has caught aces/kings or AKs the most times over a 2 day yawn fest.

[Ironside]

i think the structure was way too fast for the way i play

or the way i play was way too crap for the table i played on

one or the other anyway


the main event of any festival will be more than likely over 3,4 or 5 days so i think there is no point argueing over the chps and blinds for a 2 day 144 max event and a 5 day 600 player event

different beasts

[turny]

who actually said a longer clock, more chips and more levels make for a better competition?

you can give to much, it kills the game we call poker and as someone said before you can pass your way to a win!

a good balance which allows patient play but also allows players to make moves is best imo.

the rocks say it obviously. I for one haven't been down to dtd yet but will be looking forward to visiting soon and playing whatever structure they have decided on. They could always go down the bellagio route and give us all 50k and a two hour clock allowing red and womble etc to fold every hand barring aces for 2 days str8 (dont forget the 75/150 and 150/300 levels as with only 50k in front of me to fold with I dont want to have to play any poker).

I always thought the best players adapted to whatever structure they were playing in (and no I dont mean me). Mickey sure didnt seem to mind the structure last night making another final table.

being a rock is not playing poker imo

[byronkincaid]

the longer the clock the more time the LAGs have to steal pots and beat Aces with 52o?

the higher the blinds the more it becomes a maths equation and reduces the LAGs edge?