live to work, or work to live?

[TightEnd]

**** **** **** **** ********** ************ **** **** **** and ****

Anyway name the song?

clue?

I just posted the lyrics! What more do you want?

a job as a civil servant?

[Jon MW]

LOL ... "its a conspiracy" ... Cue tomatoes and world trade centres

LOL at the Scottish subsidy from English tax payers 

[boldie]

I pay taxes too Ecosse, and I'm sure you will well realise on your massive wage, that it's always been the case that civil service salaries are well below comparable private sector jobs - the generous pension being the justification.  Some of us also take some level of pride in doing a job for the greater good rather than just doing our bit to 'generate wealth'

Yes, I might find my job boring, but I do believe it is 'worthwhile'.

really? Well below comparable jobs? Is that fable still going around? That used to be the case..these days it only goes for the people we actually want in the civil service. (you know; Nurses, Cops, Servicemen) Not for the pencil pushers..most of them are severely overpaid compared to industry standard.

[Claw75]

I pay taxes too Ecosse, and I'm sure you will well realise on your massive wage, that it's always been the case that civil service salaries are well below comparable private sector jobs - the generous pension being the justification.  Some of us also take some level of pride in doing a job for the greater good rather than just doing our bit to 'generate wealth'

Yes, I might find my job boring, but I do believe it is 'worthwhile'.

really? Well below comparable jobs? Is that fable still going around? That used to be the case..these days it only goes for the people we actually want in the civil service. (you know; Nurses, Cops, Servicemen) Not for the pencil pushers..most of them are severely overpaid compared to industry standard.

As I'm not actually a civil servant myself (although on civil service pay and conditions), and since pay was devolved to departments, I can't speak across the board.  I do know though, for example, that a manager at the Department for work and pensions responsible for an office of 200+ staff would be earning somewhere in the region of 25k a year (a little more in London), and there's no such thing as bonuses.  My office is a little different as our pay was enhanced a few years ago so that our salaries were more comparable with those at private sector Ombudsmen (although our base salaries are still lower, to take into account the pension issue)

[Ecosse]

I pay taxes too Ecosse, and I'm sure you will well realise on your massive wage, that it's always been the case that civil service salaries are well below comparable private sector jobs - the generous pension being the justification.  Some of us also take some level of pride in doing a job for the greater good rather than just doing our bit to 'generate wealth'

Yes, I might find my job boring, but I do believe it is 'worthwhile'.

really? Well below comparable jobs? Is that fable still going around? That used to be the case..these days it only goes for the people we actually want in the civil service. (you know; Nurses, Cops, Servicemen) Not for the pencil pushers..most of them are severely overpaid compared to industry standard.

As I'm not actually a civil servant myself (although on civil service pay and conditions), and since pay was devolved to departments, I can't speak across the board.  I do know though, for example, that a manager at the Department for work and pensions responsible for an office of 200+ staff would be earning somewhere in the region of 25k a year (a little more in London), and there's no such thing as bonuses.  My office is a little different as our pay was enhanced a few years ago so that our salaries were more comparable with those at private sector Ombudsmen (although our base salaries are still lower, to take into account the pension issue)

No such thing as bonuses ? 

From The Times :-

IT’S not just the City high-flyers who are enjoying big bonuses. Senior civil servants are taking home up to £20,000 each in performance pay in a £120m bonus bonanza.

At HM Revenue & Customs, which recently lost two discs containing the details of 25m people, more than 350 top-grade staff are thought to have shared almost £2m, while bureaucrats at the Ministry of Defence have been given £44m and at the Treasury £21m.

Over the past six years, bonuses have almost doubled and the wages bill for senior civil servants has risen from £144m to £250m.

Civil servants are also enjoying record pensions. Almost 3,700 have packages worth £1m or more, according to the Taxpayers’ Alliance.

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Performance  bonus for this shower of asswipes ?

Top grade staff ?

Wouldn't last five minutes in the 'real world' - e.g. ball's up - your fired.

[Claw75]

edit- I can't be bothered

[Jon MW]

Ecosse, Do you think you might be slightly overgeneralising "civil servant" - which covers hundreds and hundreds of different positions, when your gripe is only really with a few dozen specific civil service jobs?

[Ecosse]

Ecosse, Do you think you might be slightly overgeneralising "civil servant" - which covers hundreds and hundreds of different positions, when your gripe is only really with a few dozen specific civil service jobs?

1 in 3 people in this country are now employed by the state. Include all the chavs and benefit scroungers, the country is in serious danger of bankruptcy.

Of course it's all in the five year plan. Labour have already sold the country's independence to the EU (without the promised referendum).

I don't really care so much myself, I'll be dead before the current government's policies really hit home. It's your kids i'd be worried about.

Dougie.

[Royal Flush]

You haven't mentioned immigration yet, do you still want to send them all home before the crash into airports again?

[AndrewT]

You haven't mentioned immigration yet, do you still want to send them all home before the crash into airports again?

I think all the immigrants should be loaded into giant cannons and fired at foreign airports, destroying them and preventing further immigrants from flying into the country.

[boldie]

You haven't mentioned immigration yet, do you still want to send them all home before the crash into airports again?

I think all the immigrants should be loaded into giant cannons and fired at foreign airports, destroying them and preventing further immigrants from flying into the country.

brilliant!

[steeveg]

You haven't mentioned immigration yet, do you still want to send them all home before the crash into airports again?

I think all the immigrants should be loaded into giant cannons and fired at foreign airports, destroying them and preventing further immigrants from flying into the country.

yeah we can just say there suicide bombers if anyone asks

[vegaslover]

I pay taxes too Ecosse, and I'm sure you will well realise on your massive wage, that it's always been the case that civil service salaries are well below comparable private sector jobs - the generous pension being the justification.  Some of us also take some level of pride in doing a job for the greater good rather than just doing our bit to 'generate wealth'

Yes, I might find my job boring, but I do believe it is 'worthwhile'.

Your taxes come from the wealth generating private sector, your top line 'gross wage' comes directly from MY pay packet.

Every single civil servant / public servant in the country is a drain on resources.

What really get's me is all the new labour non jobs, e.g. nappy co-ordinator, 5-a-day co-ordinator,  gay and lesbian liason officer. have a look at the Gaurdian job pages for even more Labour communist excesses.

Dougie.

So you think that the emergency services, hospitals etc are a waste of money?
fwiw I work for the civil/public service and my pension is less than 1/2 what claws is. My pay is nowhere near comparable to that ofthe same job in the private sector, which will pay 50% - 100% more.

[redsimon]

Anyway, back to the original post.....

Claw, you ever considered doing voluntary work, CAB are always looking for help? (Probably no free time with a 5 year old), or get work to pay for studying to get qualifications for a "new" career? Don't know what part of the pseudo civil service you are but most of them are keen on showing they are "investors in People" and shower us with training etc

[madasahatstand]

You haven't mentioned immigration yet, do you still want to send them all home before the crash into airports again?

I think all the immigrants should be loaded into giant cannons and fired at foreign airports, destroying them and preventing further immigrants from flying into the country.

brilliant!

Are you going first boldie? lol