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« on: January 14, 2008, 10:40:10 AM » |
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Whilst im updating my blog thought I would add it on here (For Totalise ref im about to do the other topic now too) I was playing cash last night in position after UTG who straddles so for some value I super straddle for £8 (£17 in the pot before anything) Which for me was good as this hand went mental... not just cards but money... take a look Pass, Pass, Pass to the Button who calls (Pot @ £25) Small blind calls (Pot @ £32) Big Blind Folds and Straddles Calls £4 to make it £36... I have   Flop Comes    There is a round of betting here which makes the pot £106 on the Turn which is  I had a monster on the flop and now its double the size on the turn... How would you go about getting value out of this from here? As Im guessing everyone has something... Aces full of (some pocket pair) or a 5 or something... It gets checked to me... What is my next move... then ill explain what i did! |
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boldie
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« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2008, 11:24:43 AM » |
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ok I hate the superstraddle but you got lucky so well done..
what was the action on the flop? who bet out? was there any rereaising? What did you do? How much did everybody have?
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Jaydeaa
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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2008, 11:45:57 AM » |
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Everyone is sitting with about £500 at this point... we had been playing for a while 6/7 players had bought in for £100 and gone... Small Blind is a Rock, Straddle is very Loose and the Button is new to the table...
On the flop... Small Blind Checks... Straddle throws in £23 (Announces it leaves him with £450 and likes even amounts) and I call (Didnt want to pot it and lose the rest of the table) and the Button calls and the SB folds...
Im more trying to see what everyone would of done... As I didnt get as much value as i could of i think..
On the turn, Straddle checks... Now what do I do in your eyes....
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2008, 11:49:25 AM » |
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it might seem fishy to some but I check/call all the way hoping a face card hits the river and you get paid by someone with a holding like KQ- you want to keep as many players in the pot as possible to try and hit a decent hand. of course you may want to bet out your strong hand so its not as "obvious" but from my experiences when it is a super strength hand like this you dont get paid by betting out on a flop like this- you really hope that someone catches up and reckons you also have a similar hand like KQ for a split pot
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2008, 11:51:37 AM » |
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I check here hope someone hits a nice K or Q...or button sticks in a bet...if he does I re-raise him more often than not..representing a pocket pair (small/middle) or a 5...if he has a decent pair he'll call anyways.
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2008, 11:54:06 AM » |
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Then on the river no matter what happens you bet out- depending on the player and much you reckon he's willing to pay- the higher the river card the higher my riverbet would be- your obviously hoping a King hits and he has Kings full against your quads- then if you decide much you think you could get-obviously an all in is the ideal situation but not many people will call that on the end
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« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2008, 11:58:50 AM » |
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Right... To tell you how the hand ends...
5, 6 Suited gets shown by thebutton and Pocket queens on the straddle and the sb reckons hey laid down J, 10 suited...
Anyway... It ends up being raised £150 after the river to a laydown and me Re Raising all in (another £200 on top) makes a top fold... Obviously I show my hand to show not a bluff etc, he said your obviously had a A, I show the 5 first and he go's bollox to me showing the 2nd card the ace...
Ended up walking out £210 quid up... Could of been more... But over played my set early to be smashed by a gutshot straight from flop to river...
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2008, 04:06:01 PM » |
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long term profit from this hand comes from betting it hard all the way. end of.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2008, 04:06:33 PM » |
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long term profit from this hand comes from betting it hard all the way. end of.
And everyone folding on the flop?! |
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2008, 04:15:54 PM » |
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long term profit from this hand comes from betting it hard all the way. end of.
Have to disagree-think most people on here have read supersystem and other similar books which says betting hard on strong hands is long term profit(which I agree with) but in my experience super strength hands like quads dont get paid by betting hard- especially in this instance where the other card is a 5- you want players to catch up as much as possible! I suppose it all depends on the players you are up against tho |
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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2008, 04:40:27 PM » |
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If I remember right Supersystem talks about quads being the one hand you shouldn't bet hard.
Usually I like to bet flop, check/check or check/call turn, and get as much in as poss. on the river for monsters.
That is pretty much what happened and you got a fair amount of value out of the hand.
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2008, 04:49:20 PM » |
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If I remember right Supersystem talks about quads being the one hand you shouldn't bet hard.
yeah actually think your right-not read it in a long time tho- I agree bet the boat, check the quads then bet the river- If your lucky you'll get some person continually betting into you |
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2008, 04:50:00 PM » |
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If I remember right Supersystem talks about quads being the one hand you shouldn't bet hard.
indeed as the board is essentially dead there is no value in betting hard |
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2008, 04:57:06 PM » |
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long term profit from this hand comes from betting it hard all the way. end of.
Have to disagree-think most people on here have read supersystem and other similar books which says betting hard on strong hands is long term profit(which I agree with) but in my experience super strength hands like quads dont get paid by betting hard- especially in this instance where the other card is a 5- you want players to catch up as much as possible! I suppose it all depends on the players you are up against tho if we bet the flop no one will think we have an ace let alone a house. in live games especially when we're this deep stacked you're likely to find a non believer somewhere willing to call the flop and try and bet you off it. thats what i'd be hoping for anyway. to be fair i'm poppin' this preflop also if we're super straddling. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2008, 05:10:19 PM » |
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I bet the turn and bet the river.
This board is obviously super dry but that was the case on the flop. Our opponents holding are weighted heavily towards pocket pairs that will call the turn. Utg (straddler) who opened the flop action has now slowed down on the turn, it is unlikely we will get the button to lead the action behind us and if they do they will almost certainly call a turn bet but hands like 22-99 will often check behind this turn looking to pot control and we lose a ton of value not betting the turn. Most people would never bet quads here which is damn good reason to bet as it disguises our hand. Also we are trying to build a pot here deep.
As for the best cards falling on the river being a king or queen can someone explain this logic. These are action killers more than anything they don't even improve kk or qq (they still have the same boat as before) but scare hands like jj-22, random 5's. Hands like kq or qj given flop action are very rarely in our opponents range compared to my assigned range imo.
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