is daniel negreanu right or is he a right muppet

[celtic]

From a spectators point of view, I say let's go with Negreanu and bump up the buy-in.

PPM - I CAN'T SEE MORE THAN 50 PEOPLE BUYING INTO A $100,000 TOURNAMENT.

Disagree with PPM here. If it's the main event, millions will still want the chance to qualify, and hundreds will still make it.



Gotta block the 3rd party registrations, even for the $100,000 buy-in, or you'll still get four online qualifiers to every face. (and therefore, still get a moaning Canadian)

indeed.

All those "names" that keep moaning about how they can't win events anymore are simply not adapting well enough. Moany little shit he's turning into. no wonder he had to take the pokerstars sponsorship..it's the only way he can afford to keep playing online.

 

[Raindogs]

NEG - What is the significance of all these w.s.o.p. bracelets?   Who was the $1500 no-limit hold em winner last year?   i don't know because there were 6 of them.

isn't this is the guy who used 28 re buys a few years ago to win a bracelet

i'm sick of the guy.  if all these donkeys stop playing poker so that he can win another tournament then pretty soon it wouldn't be worth playing poker.   why does he want to change a winning formula for poker?

Didn't Phil Helmuth win a bracelet in the $1500 event ?

[boldie]

NEG - What is the significance of all these w.s.o.p. bracelets?   Who was the $1500 no-limit hold em winner last year?   i don't know because there were 6 of them.

isn't this is the guy who used 28 re buys a few years ago to win a bracelet

i'm sick of the guy.  if all these donkeys stop playing poker so that he can win another tournament then pretty soon it wouldn't be worth playing poker.   why does he want to change a winning formula for poker?

Didn't Phil Helmuth win a bracelet in the $1500 event ?

who?

[Snatiramas]

NEG - What is the significance of all these w.s.o.p. bracelets?   Who was the $1500 no-limit hold em winner last year?   i don't know because there were 6 of them.

isn't this is the guy who used 28 re buys a few years ago to win a bracelet

i'm sick of the guy.  if all these donkeys stop playing poker so that he can win another tournament then pretty soon it wouldn't be worth playing poker.   why does he want to change a winning formula for poker?

Didn't Phil Helmuth win a bracelet in the $1500 event ?

who?

The git who wouldn't sign my baseball for Adam

[celtic]

Thats cause he cant spell hellmuth probably.

[AlexMartin]

100k ME has been long overdue.

[boldie]

100k ME has been long overdue.

I've been saying that for years..I can't be arsed going over to vegas to play a donkament with only a 10k buy-in..who do they think I am "Jesus" Ferguson?

[vegaslover]

Agreed that you still can Andrew, but he is trying to change that it seems!

There is a balance to be struck. Whilst restricting the entry unduly would be silly, he does have a point about the 'Cinderellas'. Having an amateur come from nowhere to win the WSOP is a great story, but a final table of nine nobodies doesn't really do much for poker. Get that every year and the TV companies lose interest. No TV means sponsors drift off and poker starts going backwards.

Couldn't disagree more on this. Since when has been all about pandering to name players so they get tv time. I use the phrase 'name' players as a lot of then aren't better than average. Anyone has the right to pays their money and take their chance. The only 'names' you get whining are those who simply aren't that good, especially compared to the players coming through. they don't have the skill, application etc to modify their game to suit large runner, generally more aggressive fields.

[AndrewT]

Couldn't disagree more on this. Since when has been all about pandering to name players so they get tv time.

Since companies like ESPN gave Harrahs big bucks for TV rights. And other companies gave big bucks to Harrahs for sponsorship which would appear on the TV coverage. If there's much more 'Johnny Nobody's AK beats Bobby Whohe's QQ' for entire stretches of TV coverage then viewers watch something else, ESPN don't pay as much for the rights and Harrahs don't make as much money.

After the Moneymaker/internet poker perfect storm, the sheer numbers of players taking a chance sustained interest. I think that's becoming old hat, especially as the numbers and prize money were down last year.

So Harrahs will look for some way to generate interest, and that will revolve around trying to get more name players at final tables.

[thetank]

No-one is suggesting an invite only, or tournament of champions main event here.

The players coming through you speak of will be able to afford the $100k if they are good. They still have the right to pay their money and take a chance.

[BrumBilly]

OK so you're tired of Neg but what about the proposed change to the structure? I like the idea of having to win your table to move through the rounds. Would add a sporting dimension to the comp and I think it would be a much more genuine test of skill overall and diminish the 'Dimitri Nobles' type effect which for me kinda kills the thing.

Not sayin his idea is a perfect solution but I'd rather watch that on telly...however, I'd rather play in the WSOP Main Event as it is for the same reason!

[Grier78]

I don't mind the idea of a shoot-out format for the main event, with you getting paid a bit every time you completed a table. For a premium you could also allow people to buy in to the later stages. Would be more TV friendly too I think. I think top two or three from each table should progress to the next round to stop it being too much down to luck at each stage.

Then again this is a long way from the huge tournament that it is now and might be a better idea for a seperate event, how a bout a World Championship that actually moves around the world and leaves the World Series as it is.

I think at the end of the day it will have more to do with money for the TV companies and organisers than what (some) players want.

[DaveShoelace]

Dont agree with a shootout at all. Tournaments are about accumulating chips, a shootout would negate that. As we speak Phil Ivey is a monster chip leader in the aussie millions, he put himself in this unbeatable position by being great at poker, if the event was a shootout he would be back to square one with every table.Chip leaders and short stacks are what poker is all about for me, shootouts negate that.

 A main event shootout format would actually favour online SNG players as much as anyone, which Im sure Negreanu would be whining about a few years down the line.

Also it would slow the event down incredibly.

[TommyGun241]

The HORSE event should be the ME.  That'll help decide who the true 'world champion' is.  That's my 2 cents.

And, yeah, Negreanu is a moany little shit on this subject.

[gatso]

The HORSE event should be the ME.  That'll help decide who the true 'world champion' is.  That's my 2 cents.

And, yeah, Negreanu is a moany little shit on this subject.

a lot of people advocate this but why? I don't see the logic in the ME being in a discipline that isn't played the rest of the year.
most other major tournies through the year are NLHE so we'll decide the world champion by playing a limit mixed game. does not compute