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chrisbruce
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« on: January 23, 2008, 01:16:48 PM »

Betfair $2/$5 table

UTG mini raises to $10 which is in turn reraised to $37.50 which I flat call.

UTG pushes for an extra $4.15 ($51.65 all in). As I understand it this should not reopen the betting for the initial raiser but in this case it does and I end up calling a much larger bet Pre flop.

In a live game I am 99% sure the re raiser can not open the betting again. (although my live experiance is tournament not cash)

I would appreciate some comments and is it worth pointing out to Betfair?  Is this a problem on other online sites?

I dont have any problem with the hand itself but need to be aware for future situations.

I have posted the hand to help with the explanation





***** Betfair Poker Hand History for Game 303775495 *****
PL $2.50/$5 Omaha - Tuesday, January 22, 20:57:39 GMT 2008
Table Rhone 03 6-max (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of active players : 6
Seat 1: smygaramar ( $263.29 )
Seat 2: ginger2 ( $51.65 )
Seat 3: Donkey Oaty ( $566.75 )
Seat 4: cats83 ( $485.30 )
Seat 5: Hitandrun ( $864.20 )
Seat 6: Muddox ( $446 )
Muddox posts small blind [$2.50]
smygaramar posts big blind [$5]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hitandrun [ , , , ]
ginger2 raises to [$10]
Donkey Oaty folds
cats83 raises to [$37.50]
Hitandrun calls [$37.50]
Muddox folds
smygaramar folds
ginger2 goes all-in
ginger2 raises to [$51.65]
cats83 raises to [$199.95]
Hitandrun calls [$162.45]
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]
cats83 goes all-in
cats83 bets [$285.35]
Hitandrun calls [$285.35]
** Showdown **
ginger2 shows [ Ah, , , ]
cats83 shows [ , , , As ]
Hitandrun shows [ , , , ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ ]
** Dealing River ** [ ]
** Hand Conclusion **
cats83 wins $867.30 from side pot #1 with two pair, Aces and Eights
cats83 wins $159.45 from main pot with two pair, Aces and Eights
************  Game 303775495 ends  ************
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2008, 01:26:09 PM »


Yes this is a bug.  Ask Betfair for your money back.  Also insist that they warn players about this.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2008, 01:27:39 PM »

Its a long term known bug on Betfair is it not?
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2008, 01:35:43 PM »

Its a long term known bug on Betfair is it not?

I didn't know about it altho I only ever played there briefly, I would expect a reputable organisation to highlight where their software is deficient.  BF were quick enough to freeze accounts etc when the stt bug cost them money, so they should pay OP the money he lost because of their incompetent programming.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2008, 01:49:21 PM »

Thanks for the advice.

I have emailed my hand to Batfair and will let you know what they say.

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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2008, 02:32:25 PM »


Yes this is a bug.  Ask Betfair for your money back.  Also insist that they warn players about this.

yeah it is a bug..that still doesn't mean he has to call the bet though.
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2008, 02:55:44 PM »

Don't play on betfair. Their updated software has been faulty since it was introduced.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2008, 03:05:17 PM »

All the players there know that a reraise reopens the betting- as there are no set worldwide rules for poker how you gonna tell them that they aren't right and everyone else is wrong? AS for the OP getitng his money back did the bug make him call? would he have wanted anything to happen had he won the pot?

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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2008, 03:53:16 PM »

All the players there know that a reraise reopens the betting- as there are no set worldwide rules for poker how you gonna tell them that they aren't right and everyone else is wrong? AS for the OP getitng his money back did the bug make him call? would he have wanted anything to happen had he won the pot?



Please don't attempt to defend a shoddy product from a shoddy company because they throw you the odd scrap.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2008, 03:54:54 PM »

All the players there know that a reraise reopens the betting- as there are no set worldwide rules for poker how you gonna tell them that they aren't right and everyone else is wrong? AS for the OP getitng his money back did the bug make him call? would he have wanted anything to happen had he won the pot?



Please don't attempt to defend a shoddy product from a shoddy company because they throw you the odd scrap.

lmao You have a way with words mate Smiley....Tis indeed pretty shitty. the guy could have folded ad asked for his money back though..you can't call..then lose and then moan about it.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2008, 04:03:42 PM »

All the players there know that a reraise reopens the betting- as there are no set worldwide rules for poker how you gonna tell them that they aren't right and everyone else is wrong? AS for the OP getitng his money back did the bug make him call? would he have wanted anything to happen had he won the pot?



Please don't attempt to defend a shoddy product from a shoddy company because they throw you the odd scrap.

lmao You have a way with words mate Smiley....Tis indeed pretty shitty. the guy could have folded ad asked for his money back though..you can't call..then lose and then moan about it.

Betfair can't have it both ways.  If they chase players for losses caused by bugs then players are entitled to have their losses caused by bugs refunded.

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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2008, 04:05:10 PM »

All the players there know that a reraise reopens the betting- as there are no set worldwide rules for poker how you gonna tell them that they aren't right and everyone else is wrong? AS for the OP getitng his money back did the bug make him call? would he have wanted anything to happen had he won the pot?



Please don't attempt to defend a shoddy product from a shoddy company because they throw you the odd scrap.

lmao You have a way with words mate Smiley....Tis indeed pretty shitty. the guy could have folded ad asked for his money back though..you can't call..then lose and then moan about it.

Betfair can't have it both ways.  If they chase players for losses caused by bugs then players are entitled to have their losses caused by bugs refunded.



chase players for losses caused by bugs?...never heard that before..do tell Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2008, 04:11:18 PM »

They have reclaimed all overpaid winnings from their STT paying everyone fiasco.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2008, 04:12:21 PM »

They have reclaimed all overpaid winnings from their STT paying everyone fiasco.

ah yes of course...
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2008, 06:14:53 PM »

Did not realise this was a standard rule, although obv i know it is generally applied. Just reniforces the need for a big fat rulebook we all abide by imo.
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