Seeing your neighbour's cards.

[byronkincaid]

I feel I should know what to do in this situation but I'm not sure.

You are in a comp in the SB. Folded round to the button who lifts his cards up with his thumb only and you can't help but notice he has QQ. He raises 4xBB.

You look at your cards and find

A) KK

B) A2o

All 3 players left in the hand have 20 BBs.

What do you do?

[Ironside]

call for a miss deal

[jezza777]

A) reraise

B) pass

[Longy]

I take you mean from an +ev standpoint and not a moral standpoint.

1. We are 80/20 fave preflop and we can assume he calls your shove pretty close to 100% of the time. Lets say 98%. Our equity is therefore just below 80%. I think this is better than seeing flop and (a) Him flopping a q or (b) getting a board that is bad with an ace or king on (more than 80% chance of this happening)

So i shove.

2. We are down to two options here calling or folding. The problem with our hand is that every time we outflop him, he may lay his hand down. Unless it come x22.

So i fold.

Also in both cases we have the bb to act behind which makes calling even more dangerous.

If we are abit deeper maybe 40bb's i might change my answers.

Not that i have done the rigourous maths on this.

[byronkincaid]

moral viewpoints cool as well. My understanding was that after the hand you have a quiet word and let him know he's showing his cards, but you can bust him out here maybe. If you say something, there is still a person to act, he may have AA.

I'm thinking the right thing to do is fold but that just seems wrong I didn't ask him to show his bloody cards, it's his job to protect them, but but but...

[Longy]

moral viewpoints cool as well. My understanding was that after the hand you have a quiet word and let him know he's showing his cards, but you can bust him out here maybe. If you say something, there is still a person to act, he may have AA.

I'm thinking the right thing to do is fold but that just seems wrong I didn't ask him to show his bloody cards, it's his job to protect them, but but but...

Im with you on just about all of this morally, byron. I will not comment during a hand and will play the hand biased by the knowledge I have accidentally obtained. After the hand i will have quiet word suggesting that he should protect his cards more carefully.

It is every players job to protect their own cards in live poker, but a friendly warning is the correct way to go.

[TightEnd]

This situation has happened to me, in fact I believe I posted it

I didn't look down at a hand sadly in the bb when the sb called, but I passed pre, telling the table I'd seen the players hand and therefore it was right for me to pass.

I think I prefer byron's moral approach as I ended up being the one "penalised" by my own sense of fair play!

[kinboshi]

If the player had looked at his cards and somehow given away that he had QQ, but without you seeing, then you wouldn't fold your cards - would you?

I don't see why you should be penalised because a player didn't handle his cards correctly.  I'd re-raise with the KK, and fold with the A2.

[LOJ]

This happended to to me last week.  I was on BB and UTG raised after checking his cards which i saw was KK (only min raised).  He was shaking like a Sh**** dog!  I look down to find AQ.  I did some play acting and called his min raise with only the small blind joining the pot.  Flop comes AQ9.  I let the poor guy hang himself by checking it down after taking all his chips.

I dont think it was my fault that he showed his hand, and if he had raised properly I may have lay down my hand but he made it cheap enough to call and outdraw him.  I told him as he got up from the table and he got pretty cross and had some words, to which I told him, i would have done the same thing without seeing your hand & prob would have re-raised u if not.....

1st Hand Call

2nd Fold.

[Graham C]

If the player had looked at his cards and somehow given away that he had QQ, but without you seeing, then you wouldn't fold your cards - would you?

Agreed,

Call and slow play the KK, take all his chippies  

No, I'd raise the KK as I would do had I not seen his hand.

Fold the A2.

[Claw75]

hmmm.  I replied to this earlier but it's not showing up!

I would usually be the first person to say something if I had seen someone else's cards.  However, in this situation it's not going to make any difference at all to how you play your cards (reraise with the KK or fold with the A2) so I would just carry on regardless.  The only difficulty I could envisage would be if the flop came Queen high and there was still betting to take place.  Given the stack sizes, it's likely I guess that you'd push all in here anyway with the KK, but if you'd been thinking about a smaller raise I'd probably push all in instead.

[Josedinho]

Would anyone be tempted to push all in and if the BB folds tell the guy in the button you've seen his cards and you are ahead, advise him to fold so he doesn't lose all his chips and tell him you'll show when he folds?

I don't think i would dare admit to seeing his cards because people may accuse you of cheating so i'd just push.

[Claw75]

Would anyone be tempted to push all in and if the BB folds tell the guy in the button you've seen his cards and you are ahead, advise him to fold so he doesn't lose all his chips and tell him you'll show when he folds?

definitely not

[cia260895]

It might be an unfair advantage but it is still an advantage

 I'd say nothing as it is his responsibility to protect his hole cards

[TheChipPrince]

a) Tell him
b) Tell him


If for some reason you didnt want too,

a) Standard re-raise
b) Call, you'll know exactly where you stand