Who shows first?

[Claw75]

I said 'A four, I think', and turn it over. 'Now you know I don't raise limpers out of the big blind with 84 and I'll probably value bet quads on the river'.

[ACE2M]

down my local they ask after every showdown as routine, people not in the hand ask as well. The funny thing is that i don't think they have any idea what to do with the info anyway, morons.

At the £750 event in Luton a couple of weeks ago I saw a free flop in the big blind with 84. The flop brought two eights, and the river brought the case eight. I bet and the other guy called. I immediately said 'there's the other eight' and turned it over. My opponent had a pained expression on his face and mucked. I started raking in my chips.

'What's your other card?' says one of the other players.

I said 'A four, I think', and turn it over. 'Now you know I don't raise limpers out of the big blind with 84 and I'll probably value bet quads on the river'.

nice

[totalise]

is it bad etiquette, on the river, to call a bet, and sit and do nothing, and say nothing,  until the bettor has revealed his hand? (unless he has shipped it all in and u have called with the nuts)

[tikay]

is it bad etiquette, on the river, to call a bet, and sit and do nothing, and say nothing,  until the bettor has revealed his hand? (unless he has shipped it all in and u have called with the nuts)

Absolutely NOT. The bettor should reveal - imnmediately, without the need for all the play-acting. And the caller then turns his hand over.

[totalise]

down my local they ask after every showdown as routine, people not in the hand ask as well. The funny thing is that i don't think they have any idea what to do with the info anyway, morons.

At the £750 event in Luton a couple of weeks ago I saw a free flop in the big blind with 84. The flop brought two eights, and the river brought the case eight. I bet and the other guy called. I immediately said 'there's the other eight' and turned it over. My opponent had a pained expression on his face and mucked. I started raking in my chips.

'What's your other card?' says one of the other players.

I said 'A four, I think', and turn it over. 'Now you know I don't raise limpers out of the big blind with 84 and I'll probably value bet quads on the river'.

shoulda said it was an 8 just for "hilarity"

and ty tikay

[Rookie (Rodney)]

down my local they ask after every showdown as routine, people not in the hand ask as well. The funny thing is that i don't think they have any idea what to do with the info anyway, morons.

At the £750 event in Luton a couple of weeks ago I saw a free flop in the big blind with 84. The flop brought two eights, and the river brought the case eight. I bet and the other guy called. I immediately said 'there's the other eight' and turned it over. My opponent had a pained expression on his face and mucked. I started raking in my chips.

'What's your other card?' says one of the other players.

I said 'A four, I think', and turn it over. 'Now you know I don't raise limpers out of the big blind with 84 and I'll probably value bet quads on the river'.

There is nothing wrong with that - you have to show both cards to take the pot at showdown.

[ACE2M]

down my local they ask after every showdown as routine, people not in the hand ask as well. The funny thing is that i don't think they have any idea what to do with the info anyway, morons.

At the £750 event in Luton a couple of weeks ago I saw a free flop in the big blind with 84. The flop brought two eights, and the river brought the case eight. I bet and the other guy called. I immediately said 'there's the other eight' and turned it over. My opponent had a pained expression on his face and mucked. I started raking in my chips.

'What's your other card?' says one of the other players.

I said 'A four, I think', and turn it over. 'Now you know I don't raise limpers out of the big blind with 84 and I'll probably value bet quads on the river'.

There is nothing wrong with that - you have to show both cards to take the pot at showdown.

technically right but completely pointless in this instance.

[AndrewT]

down my local they ask after every showdown as routine, people not in the hand ask as well. The funny thing is that i don't think they have any idea what to do with the info anyway, morons.

At the £750 event in Luton a couple of weeks ago I saw a free flop in the big blind with 84. The flop brought two eights, and the river brought the case eight. I bet and the other guy called. I immediately said 'there's the other eight' and turned it over. My opponent had a pained expression on his face and mucked. I started raking in my chips.

'What's your other card?' says one of the other players.

I said 'A four, I think', and turn it over. 'Now you know I don't raise limpers out of the big blind with 84 and I'll probably value bet quads on the river'.

There is nothing wrong with that - you have to show both cards to take the pot at showdown.

Technically yes, but that is the dealer's job to enforce. I had been pushed the chips - the pot had been awarded. And that wasn't the reason the player was asking.

[Rookie (Rodney)]

down my local they ask after every showdown as routine, people not in the hand ask as well. The funny thing is that i don't think they have any idea what to do with the info anyway, morons.

At the £750 event in Luton a couple of weeks ago I saw a free flop in the big blind with 84. The flop brought two eights, and the river brought the case eight. I bet and the other guy called. I immediately said 'there's the other eight' and turned it over. My opponent had a pained expression on his face and mucked. I started raking in my chips.

'What's your other card?' says one of the other players.

I said 'A four, I think', and turn it over. 'Now you know I don't raise limpers out of the big blind with 84 and I'll probably value bet quads on the river'.

There is nothing wrong with that - you have to show both cards to take the pot at showdown.

technically right but completely pointless in this instance.

Or not, one other thing on top of what Tikay said is  annoying earlier, is when people do this. You KNOW the rules, so why are you so afraid to show your other card when you know you will have to anyway. As Andrew said this card makes no difference, but these are the rules to take a pot that this must be shown, so why try and hide it if it makes absolutely no difference?

[Snatiramas]

is it bad etiquette, on the river, to call a bet, and sit and do nothing, and say nothing,  until the bettor has revealed his hand? (unless he has shipped it all in and u have called with the nuts)

Absolutely NOT. The bettor should reveal - imnmediately, without the need for all the play-acting. And the caller then turns his hand over.

Pretty good thread.........see the inane rarely is Taximan.......and on the subject of poker etiquette unfortunately I really believe that the game has little or none left, players asking for counts when they know they are going to call or pass before the count has even taken place, the dwell up fold all the time.....I have never slow rolled.......or delayed in showing my hand......if it is their turn to show I expect them to show not ask me a dumbass question.......I call their bet they show.....they call mine I show.........if they do not want to show they must be a Billy methinks

[boldie]

We saw it fairly often yesterday and especially in DC you see it a lot..It's rude. If called I immediatly turn my hand over If I call a bet I expect you to show immediatly. It's rude not to.

[TEX FITZ]

likewise boldie, at my local if i'm called on the river i immediately turn my cards, coz i'm f***ing sick of hearing " call.....................and raise you blah blah"  Try explaining string-betting to muppets

[MANTIS01]

Yes, I don't really get this nonsense at showdown...but I think it's got something to do with the struggle for power....like when one player mucks his hand on the flop and the other looks at his cards once more before mucking as well??

Whenever I reach showdown I just, well, showdown. I do this without a moment's thought about my oppo or his "showdown tactics"....and I know instantly whether I win or loose from his reaction.

[lucky_scrote]

Lol, when I'm called on the river I either turn my hand over straight away or muck it haha- the second part is done through frustrated BECAUSE YOU ARE A CALLING STATION.

[scotty2hatty]

down my local they ask after every showdown as routine, people not in the hand ask as well. The funny thing is that i don't think they have any idea what to do with the info anyway, morons.

At the £750 event in Luton a couple of weeks ago I saw a free flop in the big blind with 84. The flop brought two eights, and the river brought the case eight. I bet and the other guy called. I immediately said 'there's the other eight' and turned it over. My opponent had a pained expression on his face and mucked. I started raking in my chips.

'What's your other card?' says one of the other players.

I said 'A four, I think', and turn it over. 'Now you know I don't raise limpers out of the big blind with 84 and I'll probably value bet quads on the river'.

There is nothing wrong with that - you have to show both cards to take the pot at showdown.

Can I ask - Andrew flips over his 8 and the other guy mucks - does he now have to show the other card?

Some ridic rulings down my local casino - if I call a bet on river and guy insta-mucks do I still need to flip?