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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2008, 11:25:33 AM »

I may be off-beam here, dunno but I hate the check on the turn

gives him the chance to fire on the river thinking you are weak/have c-bet with air..so puts you in an awkward spot with, I suspect, the best hand

bet on turn and you have far clearer idea of where you are if you face the heavy artilllery there

If I don't have him on a set (I don't) I am only really worried about QJ, given that I might call and chalk it up to experience (again, having like many others learned that overbets on the river are usually nuts from players trying to get max payment from a hand they haven't got enough into the pot with earlier!)
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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2008, 12:00:53 PM »

If you are putting him on QJ then the 4 on the river is your cash card, call and then msn me and tell me that you run so bad cos the mug had JJ. Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2008, 12:05:17 PM »

could he possibly be playing AQ this way ?
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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2008, 12:25:55 PM »

could he possibly be playing AQ this way ?

they dont do this with AQ. They know that the double 4 pairing off makes a big Q look stronger. The pot is $80, he's betting near twice that. Very player dependant as he could deffo be playing QJ like this, hoping you have AQ and think  you think your hand got stronger on the river.

I may be off-beam here, dunno but I hate the check on the turn

gives him the chance to fire on the river thinking you are weak/have c-bet with air..so puts you in an awkward spot with, I suspect, the best hand

bet on turn and you have far clearer idea of where you are if you face the heavy artilllery there

If I don't have him on a set (I don't) I am only really worried about QJ, given that I might call and chalk it up to experience (again, having like many others learned that overbets on the river are usually nuts from players trying to get max payment from a hand they haven't got enough into the pot with earlier!)

he should realise that you are not cbetting weak/w air against 4 other players on such a wet board. Checking turn keeps the pot smaller in a fairly marginal spot. Remember, you were CALLED by 4 other players preflop. QJ/44/JJ are my immediate concern, in that order. Sadly it doesnt work out in this example, but thats not to say it doesnt make more money on the river when you get an easy call and not an inflated pot with a 1pair type hand. 
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« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2008, 02:15:41 AM »

I don't like the check on the turn and I would love that 4. Easiest call I'll make in a long time on the River...and a very loud "F" if I find I was up against a set all along.

I timebanked for about 20 hours until i got your opinion, then called, he showed JJ so now you owe me $200... Wink
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« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2008, 02:20:26 AM »

If you are putting him on QJ then the 4 on the river is your cash card, call and then msn me and tell me that you run so bad cos the mug had JJ. Cheesy


oooooooooooooohhhhhh he did have JJ .... im good !!
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« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2008, 08:04:31 AM »

I don't like the check on the turn and I would love that 4. Easiest call I'll make in a long time on the River...and a very loud "F" if I find I was up against a set all along.

I timebanked for about 20 hours until i got your opinion, then called, he showed JJ so now you owe me $200... Wink

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« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2008, 04:06:32 PM »

I like the turncheck fwiw. Tough spot on the river. I often make up my mind that I should fold while at the same time my right hand is chunking the stack off with a click of the mouse.
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