Surely its time we are all on a DNA database

[madasahatstand]

I am confused how is giving up DNA affecting your liberty?

What is the difference with that and giving the DVLA your home address?

You aren't serious surely.  You do know what dna is?

lmao......

[Royal Flush]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

[doubleup]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

and its my will not to provide my genetic information to a government.

[madasahatstand]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

If there was a national database or you committed a non serious 'recordable' crime, you would have no choice but to give a sample of DNA, even if you didnt want to. This does not constitute liberty and especially not freedom.

[ripple11]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

If there was a national database or you committed a non serious 'recordable' crime, you would have no choice but to give a sample of DNA, even if you didnt want to. This does not constitute liberty and especially not freedom.

...but you would sleep better in your bed at night.

[Bongo]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

If there was a national database or you committed a non serious 'recordable' crime, you would have no choice but to give a sample of DNA, even if you didnt want to. This does not constitute liberty and especially not freedom.

You can even be forced to give one just for carrying an mp3 player...

[Royal Flush]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

If there was a national database or you committed a non serious 'recordable' crime, you would have no choice but to give a sample of DNA, even if you didnt want to. This does not constitute liberty and especially not freedom.

Does that mean that you feel the same way about the speed limit? Or laws that make murder illegal?

[doubleup]

...but you would sleep better in your bed at night.

Yes that is what this is all about - a government wants you to vote for them and will therefore spend vast amounts of taxpayer's money in an attempt to win your favour.

When you get what you want, I hope you sleep better knowing that the money could have been used to save/improve lives had it been spent on the NHS and will in reality not reduce crime and knowing that future generations might find themselves branded from birth because they have a gene that some scientists theorise in some cases cause abnormal behaviour.

Life is not risk free and comes to an end for all of us.  People misunderstanding risk management and governments appeasing them is leading to more and more restrictions and intrusions in our daily life for no return whatsoever.

[madasahatstand]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

If there was a national database or you committed a non serious 'recordable' crime, you would have no choice but to give a sample of DNA, even if you didnt want to. This does not constitute liberty and especially not freedom.

Does that mean that you feel the same way about the speed limit? Or laws that make murder illegal?

What you talking about? lol.  If you mean do I think people should be able to do what speed they want then no. That endagers life but me refusing to give a DNA sample doesnt and it's not against the law (yet!). If someone is convicted of a serious violent crime then sure force them to give DNA but I chose not to. Thats called freedom of choice because Ive not done anything wrong.

As for making murder illegal, thats the law and its a good law........  I find the question completely irrelevant?  Care to expand?

[madasahatstand]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

If there was a national database or you committed a non serious 'recordable' crime, you would have no choice but to give a sample of DNA, even if you didnt want to. This does not constitute liberty and especially not freedom.

You can even be forced to give one just for carrying an mp3 player...

lolol, well its getting that way for sure

[madasahatstand]

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

If there was a national database or you committed a non serious 'recordable' crime, you would have no choice but to give a sample of DNA, even if you didnt want to. This does not constitute liberty and especially not freedom.

...but you would sleep better in your bed at night.

I wouldnt because crime would still be committed as it is now. No database is going to give you real security....

[Robert HM]

DNA database.ID cards chips implanted cctv  ffs even oyster cards now track where u go  Big Brother is watching you well Big brother   GFY

Oyster card tracking evidence has now been used to obtain a conviction.

"Liberty, in modern time, is generally considered a concept of political philosophy and identifies the condition in which an individual has the ability to act according to his or her own will."

Someone having my DNA on record doesn't stop this surely?

If there was a national database or you committed a non serious 'recordable' crime, you would have no choice but to give a sample of DNA, even if you didnt want to. This does not constitute liberty and especially not freedom.

You don't need to have committed an offence, the mere fact that you have been arrested gives the right for police to take the sample by force, even if not charged.

[suzanne]

Would it be so ridiculous to think that maybe DNA has been taken from every baby over god knowns how many years?

Nahhh..they would be allowed to do that surely!!

I might have thought the same but I had to comfort my best mate about 12 years ago when she was told that the baby she buried 8/10 year before was only a shell and all his organs were in a pickle jar.

She made a choice to have his organs buried with her mother who died shortly after.

A year later she received a parcel by courier and it was some more of his organs, she had no idea what was in the box as there had been a mix up and she hadnt been notified.

Put yourself in her place when she opened that box and then seriously try to tell me that there isnt an ongoing DNA database in progress for every newborn child that has been going on for many many years.

Im pretty sure we will on be on the database before long which is good if the system works but like everything in this world it can and will be exploited.

[Royal Flush]

Would it be so ridiculous to think that maybe DNA has been taken from every baby over god knowns how many years?

Nahhh..they would be allowed to do that surely!!

I might have thought the same but I had to comfort my best mate about 12 years ago when she was told that the baby she buried 8/10 year before was only a shell and all his organs were in a pickle jar.

She made a choice to have his organs buried with her mother who died shortly after.

A year later she received a parcel by courier and it was some more of his organs, she had no idea what was in the box as there had been a mix up and she hadnt been notified.

Put yourself in her place when she opened that box and then seriously try to tell me that there isnt an ongoing DNA database in progress for every newborn child that has been going on for many many years.

Im pretty sure we will on be on the database before long which is good if the system works but like everything in this world it can and will be exploited.

It's true the same people who rigg online poker collect DNA from babies.

[ifm]

Anyone else here in the database??