Surely its time we are all on a DNA database

[totalise]

I am with totalise here ... I can see no logical reason why anyone would refuse to give a sample for a database unless.


1, you have committed a crime and are fearful that doing so would mean you get caught and convicted.

2, you are an anarchist and are totally against anything authoritarian.

3. Concerned at the potential mis use of information.

4. Have a lack of faith in the ability of certain parties to manage this information. It's not like there hasn;t been presidents.

yes, but as has been said earlier, what about your medical records, your bank details, DVLA, Insurance policies, etc etc ...   why is a dna database so abhorrent to some people yet they have more than enough of their personal details splashed about on a million and one databases ... the difference between these and DNA is surely the DNA database could actually do some good.

I think the idea is about doing something against your will......... you can choose to opt out of having a driving license and your medical records are confidential and are not on a national database. You cant be forced to sign your provisional can you.......

 

You can also choose not to live in a house, have a television, have a bank account, not work etc. etc. if you do all of that then yes, your details will  not be held.

The OP's question, a reasonable one, was whether we should have a DNA database, not whether it should be compulsory. The compulsory part came in replies from posters who would not want to be on the register and used the "compulsory " position as part of their defence.

Geo

so what is ur opinion. i cant see a valid reaon to oppodose it.

[AndrewT]

who knows, I might fancy a little whore-killing spree one day and I don't want to get caught afterwards.

A DNA database is unlikely to stop a SPREE killer.

Ah yes, spree was the wrong word. I know how lazy I am - I couldn't kill more than two a week.

[AndrewT]

Blimey, I think we broke the board.

[Bongo]

The OP's question, a reasonable one, was whether we should have a DNA database, not whether it should be compulsory. The compulsory part came in replies from posters who would not want to be on the register and used the "compulsory " position as part of their defence.

Geo

The thread title "Surely its time we are all on a DNA database" implies that it would be compulsory!

[doubleup]

I am with totalise here ... I can see no logical reason why anyone would refuse to give a sample for a database unless.


1, you have committed a crime and are fearful that doing so would mean you get caught and convicted.

2, you are an anarchist and are totally against anything authoritarian.

Yeah thats what they were saying in the beerkellers in the 30s.  Think a bit more about what we are debating here.

I'm thiking about the potential of making it safer for my grandchildren........what are you thinking about??

Geo

I'm actually thinking about your grandchildren and evryone elses.  They are the ones that as genetic research progresses will be subjected to various prejudices about their likely predilections based on their genetic makeup.

[thediceman]

I'm intrigued to know if those persons who are willing to agree to giving the state their DNA, in the interests of making our society a safer one, would you agree to voluntary being tagged as this would really make it easy to solve crimes.

Also as most violent crimes are committed at night how about a government imposed curfew, all in the interests of making our society a safer one.  

[Geo the Sarge]

I am with totalise here ... I can see no logical reason why anyone would refuse to give a sample for a database unless.


1, you have committed a crime and are fearful that doing so would mean you get caught and convicted.

2, you are an anarchist and are totally against anything authoritarian.

3. Concerned at the potential mis use of information.

4. Have a lack of faith in the ability of certain parties to manage this information. It's not like there hasn;t been presidents.

yes, but as has been said earlier, what about your medical records, your bank details, DVLA, Insurance policies, etc etc ...   why is a dna database so abhorrent to some people yet they have more than enough of their personal details splashed about on a million and one databases ... the difference between these and DNA is surely the DNA database could actually do some good.

I think the idea is about doing something against your will......... you can choose to opt out of having a driving license and your medical records are confidential and are not on a national database. You cant be forced to sign your provisional can you.......

 

You can also choose not to live in a house, have a television, have a bank account, not work etc. etc. if you do all of that then yes, your details will  not be held.

The OP's question, a reasonable one, was whether we should have a DNA database, not whether it should be compulsory. The compulsory part came in replies from posters who would not want to be on the register and used the "compulsory " position as part of their defence.

Geo

so what is ur opinion. i cant see a valid reaon to oppodose it.

I've already expressed in a previous post that I would have no problem with being on the database.

Geo

[byronkincaid]

I don't think it's the thought of catching paedophiles and serial killers now that's scary it's the potential for future governments to do nasty things with the info maybe many years into the future that's the problem.

For example Ken Livingstone who I saw once on TV admitting that he is insane, has recently introduced a huge low emissions zone all of greater London I think is inside this zone. I am like 20 or 30 meters inside it and ATM it doesn't affect me at all. Except that Autocar magazine who are pretty reputable i think and not prone to hyperbole have found out that the system put in place is exactly the same as the one used for congestion charging bar a minor difference in software, will run at a huge loss and will reduce emissions by 0.01%. They claim that if Ken gets a third term in office he's gonna introduce congestion charging for the whole lot of us, not just the zillionaires who live near the centre of London, millions of people will have to pay to travel on roads we already pay road tax for. He is just sneaking it in sneakily by doing this emissions thing to start with.

I was reading an article the other day about how food affects people with different genes, apparently already they have found out that coffee is good for people with a certain gene and bad for people with another gene. Broccoli is good for everyone but super awesome for people with the super awesome broccoli gene. The technology is just starting out, but already you can let this dude get a sample of your DNA and he will tell you what you should be eating. Just think what they will be able to do in a few years, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that future unknown governments may use this info to do things we don't want them to do.

Also if all this info is on a computer somewhere then people like bongo will be able to hack into it, so it ain't just the police and government who you'll have to trust it's Harry Hacker, any people who may pay him to get the info and random people on public transport who find laptops and Cd's left behind by government employees

[madasahatstand]

I'm intrigued to know if those persons who are willing to agree to giving the state their DNA, in the interests of making our society a safer one, would you agree to voluntary being tagged as this would really make it easy to solve crimes.

Also as most violent crimes are committed at night how about a government imposed curfew, all in the interests of making our society a safer one.  

yes nobody allowed out after 6pm or you get shot! Who cares- why would you want to go out after 6pm anyway?

[thediceman]

A governments greatest control tool is fear. Just look at what happened in America after 9/11 with the introduction of the patriot act.

I enjoy the right to free movement rather than being subject to government imposed sanctions, which in truth have little to do with social welfare and our protection and more about a government totalitian attitude. Scare mongering may work on some but some of use like to look at the bigger picture.

[TightEnd]

Vote Conservative.

[Geo the Sarge]

I'm intrigued to know if those persons who are willing to agree to giving the state their DNA, in the interests of making our society a safer one, would you agree to voluntary being tagged as this would really make it easy to solve crimes.

Also as most violent crimes are committed at night how about a government imposed curfew, all in the interests of making our society a safer one.  

yes nobody allowed out after 6pm or you get shot! Who cares- why would you want to go out after 6pm anyway?

LOL.....reminds me of a joke i once heard:

2 South African policemen where patrolling in Soweto, it was 8:50 at night.

A young lad went whizzing by on a bicycle and one of the policemen raised his shotgun and shot the poor soul.

"why did you do that?" asked his colleague

"The curfew" was the reply

"But the curfew doesn't begin until 9pm"

"I know, but I also know where he lives and he would never have made it home in time"


Geo

[thediceman]

I'm intrigued to know if those persons who are willing to agree to giving the state their DNA, in the interests of making our society a safer one, would you agree to voluntary being tagged as this would really make it easy to solve crimes.

Also as most violent crimes are committed at night how about a government imposed curfew, all in the interests of making our society a safer one.  

yes nobody allowed out after 6pm or you get shot! Who cares- why would you want to go out after 6pm anyway?

Only bad people go out at nights.  

I've actually had someone say this before and I'm sure some police share this attitude. A model citizen is one who works 9 to 5 and stays home at night. Now everybody subscribe to this and we shall live in an ideal world we all seek.

[Geo the Sarge]

A governments greatest control tool is fear. Just look at what happened in America after 9/11 with the introduction of the patriot act.

I enjoy the right to free movement rather than being subject to government imposed sanctions, which in truth have little to do with social welfare and our protection and more about a government totalitian attitude. Scare mongering may work on some but some of use like to look at the bigger picture.

Agree, but then again the scare mongering from the anti-Databasers isn't working for me.

Geo

[Geo the Sarge]

I'm intrigued to know if those persons who are willing to agree to giving the state their DNA, in the interests of making our society a safer one, would you agree to voluntary being tagged as this would really make it easy to solve crimes.

Also as most violent crimes are committed at night how about a government imposed curfew, all in the interests of making our society a safer one.  

yes nobody allowed out after 6pm or you get shot! Who cares- why would you want to go out after 6pm anyway?

Only bad people go out at nights.  

I've actually had someone say this before and I'm sure some police share this attitude. A model citizen is one who works 9 to 5 and stays home at night. Now everybody subscribe to this and we shall live in an ideal world we all seek.

No can do mate, I enjoy playing poker but don't like playing on the net, I'll just have to get tagged so I can go out after 6pm to visit the Casino.

geo.