Surely its time we are all on a DNA database

[HOLDorFOLD]

Definitely not educated enough to get involved in such an interesting debate.

I am just wondering whether or not the following scenario would be possible:

You go to the hospital/doctors where a routine blood test is done, then without your knowledge it is then passed on to the National Database ?

Personally I wouldn't object to being on such a database, on the grounds that I don't have anything to hide, and I don't see myself as committing a crime (but that appears to be the wrong reasons).

I have wondered this myself.

I have also been wondering about cloning ... I don't know that much about it but have wondered what future technologies could be used to 'misuse' someone's DNA held on the database.

[RED-DOG]

Definitely not educated enough to get involved in such an interesting debate.

I am just wondering whether or not the following scenario would be possible:

You go to the hospital/doctors where a routine blood test is done, then without your knowledge it is then passed on to the National Database ?

Personally I wouldn't object to being on such a database, on the grounds that I don't have anything to hide, and I don't see myself as committing a crime (but that appears to be the wrong reasons).

I have wondered this myself.

I have also been wondering about cloning ... I don't know that much about it but have wondered what future technologies could be used to 'misuse' someone's DNA held on the database.

If you do any cloning, can you knock me one up that looks like your avatar please?


Perhaps "knock up" was not the best choice of words.

[HOLDorFOLD]

Definitely not educated enough to get involved in such an interesting debate.

I am just wondering whether or not the following scenario would be possible:

You go to the hospital/doctors where a routine blood test is done, then without your knowledge it is then passed on to the National Database ?

Personally I wouldn't object to being on such a database, on the grounds that I don't have anything to hide, and I don't see myself as committing a crime (but that appears to be the wrong reasons).

I have wondered this myself.

I have also been wondering about cloning ... I don't know that much about it but have wondered what future technologies could be used to 'misuse' someone's DNA held on the database.

If you do any cloning, can you knock me one up that looks like your avatar please?


Perhaps "knock up" was not the best choice of words.

 

[cia260895]

Definitely not educated enough to get involved in such an interesting debate.

I am just wondering whether or not the following scenario would be possible:

You go to the hospital/doctors where a routine blood test is done, then without your knowledge it is then passed on to the National Database ?

Personally I wouldn't object to being on such a database, on the grounds that I don't have anything to hide, and I don't see myself as committing a crime (but that appears to be the wrong reasons).

I have wondered this myself.

I have also been wondering about cloning ... I don't know that much about it but have wondered what future technologies could be used to 'misuse' someone's DNA held on the database.

excellent idea cloning maybe they could clone me

[Bongo]

Generally, DNA is 99.9% reliable. In practical terms, in a city of 1 million people, if a person commits a crime and is identified using DNA, only 1000 other people could have committed the crime. So with a population of 60 million,60,000 people could be the offender, but what if the offender was from another country and your DNA matched his you go down !!!!!

is there a difference of opinion between the experts on this, ive always thought it was in the high millions to1,quick search gave me a figure of 1 in a billion,
The FBI's CODIS database uses samples that have undergone STR analysis examining 13 loci. The odds of two people having identical 13-loci STR profiles are about one in a billion.

What if the experts are wrong?

An amazing coincidence happened today,  on the front page of the Times there was a story (one of the boxes on the right) about a psychologist who was an "expert witness" in a murder case - with his evidence being vital to the case. He now thinks he was wrong and the man is innocent!

[Card_Shark]

I haven't read through all of this thread but IMO a national DNA database is simply a must!

[doubleup]

I haven't read through all of this thread but IMO a national DNA database is simply a must!

I dont know anything about medicine, Dr Menegele, but if you say I can live without a brain thats fine by me.

[boldie]

I haven't read through all of this thread but IMO a national DNA database is simply a must!

I dont know anything about medicine, Dr Menegele, but if you say I can live without a brain thats fine by me.

lol

[MANTIS01]

The chief argument for a DNA database in this thread has been "If you have nothing to hide why would you mind? If this is the mentality the present government want us to except then WHY are they objecting to their annual expenses being published?

doubleup has been the voice of reason in this thread

A footballer is never going to be bigger than the team he plays for. So in the grand scheme of things....my DNA is more important than Gordon Brown.

Why should I give him something of such vital importance? Some reasons not to......

1. My DNA is not Labour's to take
2. This government wastes our money, so much so, they are currently objecting to publishing their dodgy expense accounts
3. They want us to be open when they are not
4. Corruption or scandal occurs in police/government all the time
5. The frequency of mistakes depends upon the competence of future governments and this is uncertain
6. I did not vote for the present government 
7. The money would be better spent on improving a creaking justice system.
8. More police/prisons would save lives immediately.
9. More police instead would make people outgoing and social rather than introverted and safe.
10. 99% of people want the death penalty, so why don't we have the death penalty?
11. There WILL be flaws in the system. E.g. babies not born in hospital/not registered
12. I don't want to


If future generations even consider categorisation then today's discrimination will seem like child's play.

[Sark79]

I would be afraid of having my DNA on a database.  My concern would be my details falling into the wrong hands or the future possibillty of it being used to screen candidates for jobs, etc.  I would be concerned that we would end up living in a society like in Gattaca ( one of my top 10 movies of all time ).   

[Royal Flush]

I would be afraid of having my DNA on a database.  My concern would be my details falling into the wrong hands or the future possibillty of it being used to screen candidates for jobs, etc.  I would be concerned that we would end up living in a society like in Gattaca ( one of my top 10 movies of all time ).   

It's in my top 1.

[Indestructable]

Just a different stance on this, aren't we really talking about having a DNA database on all men? This would cut the cost and requirements of maintaining such a database, compared to a database for men and women. Although I think if there was a vote on this that it would be passed, if it was men only the vote would sail through.
I have also read the arguments on here but I can't find any argument powerful enough to counter the benefits to the safety of women and children.
Correct me if I am wrong.

[boldie]

Just a different stance on this, aren't we really talking about having a DNA database on all men? This would cut the cost and requirements of maintaining such a database, compared to a database for men and women. Although I think if there was a vote on this that it would be passed, if it was men only the vote would sail through.
I have also read the arguments on here but I can't find any argument powerful enough to counter the benefits to the safety of women and children.
Correct me if I am wrong.

All objections of course still stand. Really "the safety of women and children" is not actually that much at risk..honest to God..your wife can take the kids to the local cornershop without getting bumped off by the neighbourhood murderer/peadophile.

[kinboshi]

Definitely not educated enough to get involved in such an interesting debate.

I am just wondering whether or not the following scenario would be possible:

You go to the hospital/doctors where a routine blood test is done, then without your knowledge it is then passed on to the National Database ?

Personally I wouldn't object to being on such a database, on the grounds that I don't have anything to hide, and I don't see myself as committing a crime (but that appears to be the wrong reasons).

I have wondered this myself.

I have also been wondering about cloning ... I don't know that much about it but have wondered what future technologies could be used to 'misuse' someone's DNA held on the database.

As long as the science is in place, there's nothing to stop a government agency using your DNA to cultivate cells and then planting this 'evidence' at a scene of crime. 

Would be a very quick and easy way of governments dealing with 'objectionable elements' - whether that be terror suspects, political opponents, or just people who've rubbed certain individuals up the wrong way (maybe they don't like you seeing their daughter, or the way you parked your car to block their driveway). 

[thediceman]

Correct me if I am wrong.

Stand corrected.