Should I have called this?

[Graham C]

Yes I should I know, but I folded because a) he's all in preflop for $450k, massive overraise b) It's going damage me if I don't win, at best I'm racing and as the current CLish, I  don't need to risk it do I?
PokerStars Game #15599575917: Tournament #78843354, $8.00+$0.80 Hold'em No Limit - Level XXII (8000/16000) - 2008/02/27 - 21:54:41 (ET)
Table '78843354 107' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 2: Mathieu94230 (425510 in chips)
Seat 3: pecX (237973 in chips)
Seat 4: dontbeskuurd (478506 in chips)
Seat 7: Graham0573 (598222 in chips)
Seat 8: Com. Tomson (563789 in chips)
Mathieu94230: posts the ante 1600
pecX: posts the ante 1600
dontbeskuurd: posts the ante 1600
Graham0573: posts the ante 1600
Com. Tomson: posts the ante 1600
dontbeskuurd: posts small blind 8000
Graham0573: posts big blind 16000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [ ]
Com. Tomson: folds
Mathieu94230: raises 407910 to 423910 and is all-in
pecX: folds
dontbeskuurd: folds
Graham0573: folds
Mathieu94230 collected 48000 from pot
Mathieu94230: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 48000 | Rake 0
Seat 2: Mathieu94230 collected (48000)
Seat 3: pecX (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: dontbeskuurd (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Graham0573 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Com. Tomson folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[Longy]

Insta-call, I will be surprised if anyone thinks different.

[LeKnave]

call all day longggggg

[boldie]

Insta-call, I will be surprised if anyone thinks different.

yep what the man said.

[Graham C]

doh!  I knew I should have as soon as I folded.

I am a rock

[boldie]

doh!  I knew I should have as soon as I folded.

I am a rock

did you win?

[Graham C]

Thankfully I did   I regretted folding a few hands later when I lost a pot to his all in when he was shorter, but I came back to get my first Stars win

[Laxie]

I called last night with the same hand as I had a nice chunk of chips (5 to 1 - at least - over the all in guy)...and lost to his pp 3's.  3 hands later, same story...lost to pp 10's.  That left me damaged big time, card dead and no way to recover.

Sometimes I wonder why everyone is so determined that calling with the AK is the right move when 'playing to win'.  My normal style would be to fold unless I'm the short stack because any pair is better than no pair pre-flop.  Wish I could get my head around why 'it's the right move.'

[boldie]

I called last night with the same hand as I had a nice chunk of chips (5 to 1 - at least - over the all in guy)...and lost to his pp 3's.  3 hands later, same story...lost to pp 10's.  That left me damaged big time, card dead and no way to recover.

Sometimes I wonder why everyone is so determined that calling with the AK is the right move when 'playing to win'.  My normal style would be to fold unless I'm the short stack because any pair is better than no pair pre-flop.  Wish I could get my head around why 'it's the right move.'

because he could also very well not have a pocket pair.

[Laxie]

True, but do I want to use my chips to prove it to the rest of the table?

[boldie]

True, but do I want to use my chips to prove it to the rest of the table?

You don't prove it to the rest of the table. You put him on a range and say "I have a great shot at winning this hand as I could be ahead (or racing at worst) and then go on to win the tourney".If the range you put him on if not favourable..you fold. I don't quite understand what you'd be proving to the rest of the table.

[Laxie]

I called last night with the same hand as I had a nice chunk of chips (5 to 1 - at least - over the all in guy)...and lost to his pp 3's.  3 hands later, same story...lost to pp 10's.  That left me damaged big time, card dead and no way to recover.

Sometimes I wonder why everyone is so determined that calling with the AK is the right move when 'playing to win'.  My normal style would be to fold unless I'm the short stack because any pair is better than no pair pre-flop.  Wish I could get my head around why 'it's the right move.'

because he could also very well not have a pocket pair.

That bit.  lol

[boldie]

I called last night with the same hand as I had a nice chunk of chips (5 to 1 - at least - over the all in guy)...and lost to his pp 3's.  3 hands later, same story...lost to pp 10's.  That left me damaged big time, card dead and no way to recover.

Sometimes I wonder why everyone is so determined that calling with the AK is the right move when 'playing to win'.  My normal style would be to fold unless I'm the short stack because any pair is better than no pair pre-flop.  Wish I could get my head around why 'it's the right move.'

because he could also very well not have a pocket pair.

That bit.  lol

I'm easily confused at the best of times. but why would you prove anything to the rest of the table by calling here..that's not the reason for any call you make?...I dunno..just ignore me...I'm not awake yet.I just don't understand the "proving to the rest of the table" comment.

[Laxie]

Haven't had me coffee yet, so probably not getting the point across properly.  The way I look at it, every hand is being studied...or at least 'should be', by everyone at the table.  I don't have poker tracker or any of that, but I take notes on everyone who ever sits at a table with me.  While others are card dead and bored, I'm busy watching and hopefully learning.  Every hand has information from start to finish.  To me, a hand like this is valuable information for everyone at the table.  When I'm in this situation I tend to ask myself a couple of questions. 

What do you put them on? 

What's their stack size in comparison to mine? 

Will they damage me bad if I call?  (Quick look at 'average chips' stats if needed)

And last but not least...do I feel I'm ahead enough to risk my chips, giving valuable information to the table in the process? 

I guess when I say, 'prove it to the table' I'm referring to that last question I ask myself before pressing call, re-raise or fold.   

[kinboshi]

Sometimes I wonder why everyone is so determined that calling with the AK is the right move when 'playing to win'.  My normal style would be to fold unless I'm the short stack because any pair is better than no pair pre-flop.  Wish I could get my head around why 'it's the right move.'

What range do we place him on?

If it's a pocket pair that's not AA or KK, then we're a small underdog.
If they have Ax (where x isn't a king), then we're big favourites.
If they have AK, then it's most likely chop-chop.
If they have KK it's not our day, but we still might get lucky.
If they have AA it's certainly not our day, go and find the cat and kick it.

Most of the time, it's one of the first three, where we're sometimes a small dog, and sometimes a huge favourite.  The maths dictates the call.