13 way chop at GCBPT

[Royal Flush]

Obviously it's a bad deal and highlights why you shouldn't play outside of your BR.

30k stack is my hero.

A bad deal for some Flushy, but for me I believe it was a good deal. From the GCBPT website:

"There are also a number of lower buy-in events at each Festival to give less experienced players the chance to play at a live event." And I am certainly in that category.


geo

I wouldn't worry....Flushy's never happy unless he is raining on somebody's parade

Well he did ask the question......and the answer is yes you took a bad deal.

People are apparently passing JJ to open pushes!!! How can you not get all the chips in this comp on the bubble, you will be on 1/4m here by the final about 90% of the time if you are 10% of a decent player.

[JungleCat03]

The question now goes round the final 2 tables, why don't we take £1000 each

What took you so long to chop?

FYP.


2 things strike me with this.

Yes, mathematically in the context of this one tournament it's a bad deal.

BUT, given that it is quite possible that you are theoretically underrolled for the comp, then taking a -ev deal in order to reduce variance on what is likely to be a quite crapshooty finale is not so bad. Lloyd made pretty much the same point, probably better.

Having said that, I think with a little more hard-nosed negotiation, you could quite easily have sweetened the deal for yourself. If you said, look I have 5x the stack of the last couple of places, I'll do a deal but I can't see them getting anymore than 750 each, I'll take 1400 + the seat, second can have the xtra 100, I bet you would have got them to agree.

Also deal-making in itself is an art form and is a skill that is well worth improving as it can provide a massive edge at the end of comps. Some players have naturally strong communication skills ( eg Paul Parker) and charisma and charm can win you hundreds, or thousands of extra pounds. I've seen and heard deals that make my eyes boggle when I hear what players get away with. Flushy's pretty good at dealing, obviously lacking in the charisma charm area, he makes up for it through bloody minded resilience and players refusing to stand up and laugh at a ridiculous or unfair deal being offered to them.

It's definitely worth working on your negotiation skills.

Well done though on what was a profitable night for you and best of luck with the 500.

[ariston]

few deal stories I have witnessed/been involved in.

Blackpool a couple of years ago and they had reached the final table in a 2 day comp. Close of casino approaching so they started the bagging up procedure and everyone satrted discussing a deal. Calculators where got out and a chip count was done. They forgot to include ali mallu in the negotiations though who was happily off playing blackjack. When the ammounts had all been worked out and everyone was happy (bar ali who was still playing blackjack) they beckoned him over. He came over and said what am I getting then. He was told 2500 and he just said see you all tomorrow boys, turned round and left the casino.

Salford many moons ago I had a monster stack in a little rebuy affair and they wanted a deal 5 handed. I had probably 60% of the chips in play but a couple of the guys involved where clearly over keen to wrap up a nice cash. They all discussed figures for a while and I stayed quiet for once. When they finally got round to asking my oppinions I simly said I will take first and you can do what you want with the rest, no negotiations neccessary. I was by no means a lock from there but thought I would at least try it on. A bit of back and forth with me saying I wouldn't take any less than first and they agreed to chop the rest of the money up if I paid the tip to the waitresses. Best bluff I had run all night lol.

3 handed on pokerstars in the very early days of internet poker and there is one wsop seat for the winner, 9k for the man who finished 2nd and zero for the man who got 3rd. Deal negotiations started and the chip leader (who had probably 70-80% of the chips in play) came up with an interesting deal. He would take the seat and wanted them to pay him a grand extra for allowing a deal. It was a brave ask by him but the other 2 couldnt deal without his agreement so they would now be playing scared at least trying to lock up 2nd. He didn't get the deal but it was a great effort imo and by the time he got heads up he had almost every chip in play as the other 2 had almost blinded off.

Stuff what everyone else says about the deal- if you're happy thats all that matters.

[Ironside]

3 handed on pokerstars in the very early days of internet poker and there is one wsop seat for the winner, 9k for the man who finished 2nd and zero for the man who got 3rd. Deal negotiations started and the chip leader (who had probably 70-80% of the chips in play) came up with an interesting deal. He would take the seat and wanted them to pay him a grand extra for allowing a deal. It was a brave ask by him but the other 2 couldnt deal without his agreement so they would now be playing scared at least trying to lock up 2nd. He didn't get the deal but it was a great effort imo and by the time he got heads up he had almost every chip in play as the other 2 had almost blinded off.

Stuff what everyone else says about the deal- if you're happy thats all that matters.

was that not neil "badbeat" channing

i remember the debate on THMF

[ariston]

i seem to remember it being miros but I am not certain.

[Ironside]

i seem to remember it being miros but I am not certain.

yeah miros seems to ring a bell too

[riverdave]

i seem to remember it being miros but I am not certain.

yeah miros seems to ring a bell too

yep was Lord Miros who recently took down the Sunday Warm Up.

[Royal Flush]

Titled after that affair "The most hated man in online poker" i seem to recall.

[Geo the Sarge]

Thanks to all that replied, both for and against.

A lot of good reasons from both camps, much appreciated. And certainly a lot of info I will take on board.

The best bit about it all is that the wife now gets her kitchen floor redone, can't get any better than keeping 'er indoors happy.

Geo

[Acidmouse]

You got what you wanted, well played that man.

[bhoywonder]

you pay poker wife tax too geo


higher than any rake ever,we ought to get a union,,form some sorta alliance against em


lol

[Claw75]

Message to Matt - next time you have a big win can you please get me a roll of lino?

[londonpokergirl]

3 handed on pokerstars in the very early days of internet poker and there is one wsop seat for the winner, 9k for the man who finished 2nd and zero for the man who got 3rd. Deal negotiations started and the chip leader (who had probably 70-80% of the chips in play) came up with an interesting deal. He would take the seat and wanted them to pay him a grand extra for allowing a deal. It was a brave ask by him but the other 2 couldnt deal without his agreement so they would now be playing scared at least trying to lock up 2nd. He didn't get the deal but it was a great effort imo and by the time he got heads up he had almost every chip in play as the other 2 had almost blinded off.

Stuff what everyone else says about the deal- if you're happy thats all that matters.

was that not neil "badbeat" channing

i remember the debate on THMF

and I thought it was Mr Gryko

[Ironside]

3 handed on pokerstars in the very early days of internet poker and there is one wsop seat for the winner, 9k for the man who finished 2nd and zero for the man who got 3rd. Deal negotiations started and the chip leader (who had probably 70-80% of the chips in play) came up with an interesting deal. He would take the seat and wanted them to pay him a grand extra for allowing a deal. It was a brave ask by him but the other 2 couldnt deal without his agreement so they would now be playing scared at least trying to lock up 2nd. He didn't get the deal but it was a great effort imo and by the time he got heads up he had almost every chip in play as the other 2 had almost blinded off.

Stuff what everyone else says about the deal- if you're happy thats all that matters.

was that not neil "badbeat" channing

i remember the debate on THMF

and I thought it was Mr Gryko

you are right

got them mixed up

i have perfect memory apart from names and faces

i think i met the pair of them in the vic once together and thats more than likely why i have them mixed up

[M3boy]

you pay poker wife tax too geo


higher than any rake ever,we ought to get a union,,form some sorta alliance against em


lol

I currently pay 25% of any tournament winnings.